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A reason to believe?
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RE: A reason to believe?
(April 30, 2010 at 11:43 am)fr0d0 Wrote: True, but then you're not talking about Christianity, but people.

No, he's talking about the origins of Christian doctrine.

(April 30, 2010 at 11:43 am)fr0d0 Wrote: In essence Christianity is about questioning your values unselfishly. Again, you're talking perversion by people.

Not true at all. Christianity is about adopting a set of preordained values in hopes of gaining an ultimate reward in the afterlife. Questioning and Christianity don't belong in the same sentence. It's conformity - plain and simple.

(April 30, 2010 at 11:43 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't see how this is relevant. In our secular society there's punishment for wrongdoing. None of us are free from it. People thrive knowing their boundaries. It would be incorrect to conclude that Christianity was about fear. That would be to miss the point.

Accept my gift or burn in hellfire? That isn't a scare tactic?

(April 30, 2010 at 11:43 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Whilst faith has to be irrational, the consideration of theology is entirely rational and logically coherent internally.

Ok, so the fairy tale can be rational internally, but to believe such a thing is true is irrational.

Do theologists know the premise of their belief is illogical?

(April 30, 2010 at 11:43 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Well if I find myself lacking understanding in something, I hope I'd usually say "I don't know".

Unless it's about God.

(April 30, 2010 at 11:43 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (I believe) You're trying to conflate the merit's of faith here with knowledge of the existence of God. The two things are different subjects, and I can tell you confidently that the search for evidence is futile.

How do you know this?
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Messages In This Thread
A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - April 29, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2010 at 1:12 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - April 29, 2010 at 1:16 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Welsh cake - April 29, 2010 at 3:58 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by EggSpurt - April 29, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by True Christian - April 29, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - April 29, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 29, 2010 at 5:16 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 29, 2010 at 6:16 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Godschild - April 29, 2010 at 11:52 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by theVOID - April 30, 2010 at 12:14 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Godschild - April 30, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Xyster - May 2, 2010 at 2:07 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 30, 2010 at 3:16 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - April 30, 2010 at 12:33 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by campenney - May 3, 2010 at 10:46 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 3, 2010 at 11:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 4, 2010 at 2:43 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2010 at 4:45 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2010 at 6:50 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 29, 2010 at 6:58 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by KichigaiNeko - April 30, 2010 at 3:05 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 30, 2010 at 4:22 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Atheist_named_Christian - April 30, 2010 at 5:57 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 30, 2010 at 11:43 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 30, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Atheist_named_Christian - April 30, 2010 at 1:07 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - April 30, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Zen Badger - April 30, 2010 at 9:17 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by KichigaiNeko - April 30, 2010 at 6:16 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by bozo - April 29, 2010 at 8:17 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Ace Otana - April 30, 2010 at 6:45 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - April 30, 2010 at 12:15 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - April 30, 2010 at 12:18 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Caecilian - April 30, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by KichigaiNeko - April 30, 2010 at 9:12 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by KichigaiNeko - May 2, 2010 at 9:19 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - April 30, 2010 at 9:09 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 1, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by padraic - May 1, 2010 at 2:55 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Caecilian - May 1, 2010 at 11:00 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 1, 2010 at 8:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Godschild - May 2, 2010 at 1:20 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 2, 2010 at 1:26 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 2, 2010 at 2:09 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 2, 2010 at 4:14 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 5:16 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 7:03 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 2, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by The_Flying_Skeptic - May 2, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 2, 2010 at 7:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 7:09 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Violet - May 3, 2010 at 7:19 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 7:41 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 11:57 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 3, 2010 at 12:57 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 2:52 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 3, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Thor - May 3, 2010 at 3:38 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Autumnlicious - May 3, 2010 at 3:46 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 4:20 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 4:30 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 7:43 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 8:05 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 8:09 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 4:33 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 4:51 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 5:02 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2010 at 5:00 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 4, 2010 at 8:09 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 9:33 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 10:16 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 10:19 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 10:44 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 11:02 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 3:42 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 3:50 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Caecilian - May 3, 2010 at 1:37 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 3:03 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 3:09 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 3:11 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 3:14 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 3:17 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 4:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 3:17 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Autumnlicious - May 3, 2010 at 3:22 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 5:21 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Paul the Human - May 3, 2010 at 5:24 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 3, 2010 at 5:54 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Minimalist - May 3, 2010 at 6:49 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2010 at 8:36 am
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 4, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Watson - May 4, 2010 at 3:37 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 5, 2010 at 12:40 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 5, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by Edwardo Piet - May 5, 2010 at 12:51 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by tavarish - May 5, 2010 at 2:10 pm
RE: A reason to believe? - by fr0d0 - May 5, 2010 at 2:53 pm

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