(June 3, 2014 at 6:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: People have screwed this world up because they have misused their free will and I think it's only just that man suffer for what he does through his free will.
(June 3, 2014 at 8:49 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote: but if the OT isn't good enough for you how about when he sent his son/self to earth in a human meat-wrapper, healed the sick, and rose the bloody dead?!
Stop using the free-will argument GC, it's fucking tired bullshit.
One of the things that Jesus did in the OT was save a woman from being punished for her mistake.
John 8
Quote:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Let's say that the woman used her free will to commit adultery even though she knew what the barbaric penalty for being caught was at the time. We're supposed to believe that Jesus was God incarnate, so here is God intervening to save the woman from suffering through misusing her free will.
What makes it really confusing is that so many Christians believe that God miraculously intervenes to save some people. Read the comments at the end of this article for examples.
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