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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
(June 4, 2014 at 1:23 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(June 3, 2014 at 10:02 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I wasn't saying that at all. I'm commenting on the theist views expressed in this thread, in that the children who were murdered/attempted murdered were somehow little more than pawns in the decisions of the woman who made the attempts on their lives. There's a parallel in your big book of multiple choice actually, when all the firstborn of Egypt were of no more consequence than collateral in the pissing contest between the Pharoah and the god-powered Moses. So I ask again, what price the free will of the children in the OP's article? What lesson could that little girl possibly learn? In other words, was their sole purpose in being born and living as they did nothing more than to exist as extras in some moral lesson for the woman who tried to kill them? Because if that is so, and this god of yours (or any god) truly is standing in the wings watching and allowing it all, then fuck your god, fuck its sick lessons and - if you consider it good and worthy of worship - fuck you too.

Isn't that one one the purposes of religion, to put a positive spin on bad stuff? It helps people to cope when they experience severe mental pain. If everyone flew off the handle when such things happen chances are humans would have killed themselves off a long time ago. So when people say that it was some god's will that a bad thing happened it acts as a calming influence and absolves them from the need to go ape shit crazy on the actual perp.

Yes, I was talking to my creationist cousin whom we are on good talking terms together. He said he'd rather shoot himself in the face than to find out there is no god. I believe him. Its like watching an addict. He'd rather die than even think such a thing as god not existing.
That would mean his future family isn't safe from the natural harm we all live in threat of 24/7!
Or that ultimate justice?
Really isn't real. Christians cant say where any of us go in the end, and that would mean they'd have to stop judging me and treating me like the equal I know we are. Equal.

Gods non existence would mean that for my cousin, all of us get lucky or unlucky on our own and we don't have to wait around for god to fix everything so we can actually LIKE our lives. he'd have to admit to himself that no, in fact, devils are not responsible for peoples misfortunes and misconduct. We are. We are responsible for what we do or don't do.
God is not only a scapegoat, but people allow him to be.

GC.
Keep in mind that there are people around this thread who have some epic qualms with what happens to these children and any future child subject to this torture. As far as I can gather, you're here an an theist forum to manage the fallout of your religion.

If this is how you Christians respond to these events --by dropping all responsibility out the window-- then I sure as hell don't want to know you or your god and you better believe that the Penal system will take care of them.
The same penal system that is overrun with criminals as a direct result of your reality overlapping Reality.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - May 30, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by vorlon13 - May 30, 2014 at 11:51 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - May 31, 2014 at 8:13 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - May 31, 2014 at 8:17 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Brian37 - May 31, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Zen Badger - May 31, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - May 31, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Zen Badger - May 31, 2014 at 9:09 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 2, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 3, 2014 at 12:32 am
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 3, 2014 at 1:44 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 4, 2014 at 12:19 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Mystical - June 3, 2014 at 11:12 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 7:02 pm
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