Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler

[Godscreated]

People have screwed this world up because they have misused their free will and I think it's only just that man suffer for what he does through his free will.

but if the OT isn't good enough for you how about when he sent his son/self to earth in a human meat-wrapper, healed the sick, and rose the bloody dead?!

Stop using the free-will argument GC, it's fucking tired bullshit.

One of the things that Jesus did in the OT was save a woman from being punished for her mistake.

Jesus intent was not saving the woman's physical life, He was bringing lessons to all who were there.
The men were asked to find her guilty if they themselves were not guilty, Jesus was trying to get them to understand that only the guiltless could judge and condemn this moral action.
This woman knew who Jesus was, she saw the forgiveness from the true Judge, and the instruction from forgiveness to sin no more. Jesus concern was her soul. He did not condone her actions and we know this because He instructed her to sin no more.

John 8

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Let's say that the woman used her free will to commit adultery even though she knew what the barbaric penalty for being caught was at the time. We're supposed to believe that Jesus was God incarnate, so here is God intervening to save the woman from suffering through misusing her free will.

What makes it really confusing is that so many Christians believe that God miraculously intervenes to save some people.

She did use her free will, no one was forcing her to commit adultery and being Jewish she knew the penalty. Jesus didn't intervene, that suggest He stepped in without being asked, the scribes and Pharisees were trying to cause Him to do something they could condemn, He turned their actions upon them. Like I said Jesus concern was for this woman's soul, not so much for her physical life, this is a mistake many non believers make about God's true concern.
God does intervene to save some people, some are part of His ultimate will others are through grace and yet others for reasons only God knows.

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Really isn't real. Christians cant say where any of us go in the end,

When you die, you do not ask where and you do not ask when. These questions are not applicable, and I'll explain:

When your computer breaks down, where does it go? To the garbage. Why is it that, when you ask where people go when they die, that cemetery is not a sufficient answer? Because the question refers to the physical body.

Tell me sister, did you ever work with Windows before? What is Windows? It's an operating system right, it's a connection. I throw the computer out, where does Windows go? You see why that doesn't apply? Because the second you buy another computer, you can run windows on it again.

What you have to realize is that us humans are connections, like windows. When the computer dies, Windows doesn't die. Humans though...are very concerned that they will lose the memory and the favorite websites in their internet explorer. They fear that a lot.

How about that an atheist saying man has a soul, nice comparison with Windows.

GC

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And this is your xtian love G-C?

Go back to your furniture my dear. You have nothing to offer

I'm not the one using all the vile language, nor derogatory comments.

GC

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No absolute morality, anything goes in a Godless life.

To paraphrase someone else....

You're right. There is no "ultimate" that is stopping me from murdering and raping all I want.
It just so happens that the amount of murdering and raping I want to do is zero.

To this point in your life, what will tomorrow bring.

GC