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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
(June 4, 2014 at 11:52 am)Confused Ape Wrote:
(June 4, 2014 at 10:55 am)Godschild Wrote: She did use her free will, no one was forcing her to commit adultery and being Jewish she knew the penalty. Jesus didn't intervene, that suggest He stepped in without being asked, the scribes and Pharisees were trying to cause Him to do something they could condemn, He turned their actions upon them.

So he did it to save himself because he wasn't ready to be crucified yet?

I'm not sure why you said that, like I said Jesus used the moment to teach everyone there.

(June 4, 2014 at 10:55 am)Godschild Wrote: God does intervene to save some people, some are part of His ultimate will others are through grace and yet others for reasons only God knows.

CA Wrote:What a wonderful way of avoiding the problem of God saving one child while allowing millions of other children to die of starvation, wars and disease. Then there's the other problem of why he saves some atheists.

Like I keep saying why should God pull man out of every problem man has created. God put you, me and all others here to help others in these problems. So my question to you is this, the world produces enough food to feed the world, so why are there people starving, and not just in poor countries but in countries like the U.S.
God saves some atheist because He has a use for them, yep that's right, like it or not the sovereign God uses those He desires.

CA Wrote:
Quote:Rebecca Vitsmun, Atheist Oklahoma Tornado Survivor, Sees Thousands In Indiegogo Campaign Donations

After a vicious tornado ripped through her Moore, Okla. home on Tuesday, Rebecca Vitsmun was lucky to be alive.

In a Tuesday interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Vitsmun was asked if she was thanking "the Lord" for deciding to escape home with her 19-month-old son. She hesitated for a moment, before telling Blitzer that she was actually an atheist.

People of all religions have survived things against all odds. If God saves Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and NeoPagans etc. for mysterious reasons of his own it suggests that he isn't fussy about someone'e religion or lack of it. After all, a Hindu who thinks he/she lived through divine intervention will thank a Hindu deity, not the Christian God.

God understands the lives of each person and knows what their need is even before it arises, could be He saves a Hindu so that Hindu some day may help a Christian in need. God at work my friend.

GC

(June 4, 2014 at 1:08 pm)LostLocke Wrote:
(June 4, 2014 at 10:55 am)Godschild Wrote: To this point in your life, what will tomorrow bring.
Barring physical damage to my brain or a sudden chemical imbalance, there's no reason to think it won't be more of the same.

That's what I was saying.

GC

(June 4, 2014 at 9:59 am)Luckie Wrote: Whooo boy GC you're on a roll!

You're right, in this world --the one you and I both live in-- anything goes. On god, you can't kill. But why was that rule made in the first
place? Because in a society consisting of 2 or more individuals, each and every one of us are equal and have existential rights.
I have no more a right to kill you than you do me (unless I'm a Canaanite in biblical times, in which case your god said you could so it's all right, right?).

I'm not Jewish.

Quote:How can you not see that? The justice system sees reality this way. The socially implemented justice system has concluded that murdering
is not only wrong--it's punishable within the confines of our society. If you lost your faith today-- you still couldn't go killin, and I suspect you
wouldn't. Because there's more reasons than "god said I'm going to hell", for a sane individual not to murder another individual.

Why do you not murder, because you do not want to or because you're afraid of the punishment the law would implement. I do not to please God, I have a terrible temper, I do not believe I could kill anyone then who knows, with God in my life that temper has been subdued. The thing about my temper, after coming to know God for a few years I realized that my temper did not flair up any more, I was amazed to say the least.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - May 30, 2014 at 11:41 pm
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