(May 30, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Freedom of thought Wrote: I seen a thread in one section called "abiogenesis is impossible", yet they believe somehow proposing a magic man to do abiogenesis with magic makes it OK.If God exists then something (the universe) didn't come from nothing, it came from a creator.
"Something can't come from nothing!" Unless you propose a magic man to create the something from nothing, because magic fixes everything.
(May 30, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Freedom of thought Wrote: "Well, the second law of thermodynamics means the universe can't exist forever", yet god conveniently is able to bypass this law which was just used to demonstrate his existence, with his magic powers. How convenient!Is your argument here that God can't exist forever because He is subject to the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
(May 30, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Freedom of thought Wrote: "There is no moral accountability without a god", yet Jesus's death wipes away all their sins and misdeeds, making moral accountability non existent.Jesus death on the cross does not make moral accountability non existent but rather the accountability is transfered from the sinner onto Christ at the cross. As Colossians 2:14 says: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"
(May 30, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Freedom of thought Wrote: "The universe needs a cause, it is absurd for it to exist without a cause!" yet the being they are proposing exists without a cause, brilliant!The reason that the universe requires a cause is because the current scientific data is interpreted to say that the universe cannot be eternal. If the universe was eternal it wouldn't need a cause. If the universe is not eternal, then it must have a cause.
(May 30, 2014 at 12:19 pm)Freedom of thought Wrote: Theist:"Where did the universe come from? It couldn't have existed forever because the 2nd law."....then something didn't come from nothing.
Me:"The universe is made of magic pixie dust, it can create itself."
Theist:"How can it create itself? Isn't that logically incoherent?"
Me:"Oh, this is a special transcendent pixie dust, and is above the laws of logic, so it doesn't apply. Without the universe creating itself, how else could it exist? Something can't come from nothing unless it causes itself to exist!(that is my metaphysical assumption you need to accept)"
Theist:"...."
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?