RE: An unorthodox belief in God.
June 6, 2014 at 10:38 am
(This post was last modified: June 6, 2014 at 10:44 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
(June 6, 2014 at 9:57 am)mickiel Wrote: The evidence I like using is " Civilization", excuse me for using caps again, a habit. I think some 30-50,00 years ago, god created adam, the first human he gave consciousness. Knowing that is not accepted here, lets just say whenever civilization began to emerge. I think it emerged BECAUSE god gave those humans consciousness. He did not give it fully to primordial humans.
The evidence fidel, is the obvious change in humanity, the curve it took. When primordial man basically died out after the ice age and the dawn of adam, its as if we took a dramatic left turn and exploded into a totally new direction; now we were thinking! And I think civilization is one of the evidence for consciousness, and again god.
But you then need to clearly define both where we, as a homonid species, began 'thinking' and subsequently where that 'thinking' culminated in the formation of civilisation.
You also need to define what you mean by 'civilisation'. Do you mean social, cohesive groups? Do you mean buildings? Do you mean cities?
The issue you have is that we have large reams of evidence to suggest that homo sapiens were not unique both in their ability to 'think' or their ability to form cohesive societal groups. Indeed, we don't even have to look into antiquity to garner evidence of this. Great apes today reveal to us their capability to 'think'; to assess an obstacle in front of them and reassess their behaviour and their actions to overcome or adapt.
And I think a further elucidation of 'consciousness' would be helpful here because, as above, if it is not defined coherently it's liable to fall apart at the slightest rebuttal.
I think reference to the ice age equating to the 'obvious turning point' may be a non sequitur. I can see evidence of adaption to a new environment, but I can't see evidence of it being a proverbial 'light bulb' moment where homo sapiens went from mindless, drooling savages (arguable on this point even but you get my point) to scholars, builders and artists.
I appreciate you're simply bounding your thoughts of us. However, if we are to have a debate on origin, saying 'I think' sort of debilitates your thesis if you then proceed to say 'This definitely happened'.
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