(June 6, 2014 at 1:28 pm)mickiel Wrote: There are many scriptures, but I did not intend on using the bible; why do that here? Anyway one is in psalms 104:1-2 it says god clothed himself with honour and majesty, and gave himself light, or covered himself; which means he created those parts of himself. If he already had it before, what need would he have to give it to himself again? So this scripture, and others like it reveal that god actually created parts of himself.
And I am giving the evidence that I have as I go; that's all I can do. If others don't view it as evidence, what can I do?
Wait, if you didn't intend on using the Bible, and you have many scriptures to pull from, why was the first example out of your bag a Bible verse? You say you're not Christian, but all signs point to it. How about another 'scripture' verse that's non-Biblical that would point to '[G]god' creating parts of himself? Or how about explaining how this god creating parts of himself is a better explanation with better evidence than a universe always existing? I'll be the first to tell you that I have no idea how the universe came to be or if it was always there. I am happy to not have all the answers right now. You are claiming to know the answers despite a profound lack of evidence.
See, here's why Bible verses don't hold much weight as evidence. A thing cannot be both the claim or the source of knowledge about an event and the evidence. The Bible claims that God created the universe, fine, that's the claim, that is how that idea originated. Now you have to provide some extra-Biblical evidence that the source is true. You have been woefully inadequate in that department. As has every other theist that walks in here thinking that his ideas are original or something that atheists have overlooked in our quest for knowledge and truth.
The difference (so far as I can tell from your posts) between you and I is that I am open to the evidence. I have no preconceived notion about what is true. I have no stake in a god[s] existence or lack thereof. All I seek is the knowledge that gets me as close as possible to a worldview that reflects reality. Now I will not excuse myself from any bias, I would be a moron to think that I have no bias. Only I try to reconcile that bias anytime I evaluate information. I don't use the bias to discard information. Try it on for size. Evaluate information based on the value of the information, not whether it fits your worldview or not. You'll find that you're being misled quite a bit, and by people that know what they're doing.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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