(June 7, 2014 at 7:38 pm)mickiel Wrote: You got to be kidding; life and consciousness and this VAST universe is " pure, random , chaotic chance?" Man, what does atheism do to the human perception , its like it wipes out whole slabs of reality! It is denying our birth right and erasing our true heritage with god; Anyone can see this thing was intended and planned and designed.
goodness.
Why is it you think that your incredulity counts as an argument against a position?

Here's what I find interesting: the idea that consciousness evolved- again, not by chance as I told you in literally my first ever reply to you, and yet you're still using this strawman lie- without a designer completely blows your mind, and yet you believe in a god that is conscious and evidently much more complex than our own consciousnesses. So... where did that god's consciousness come from? Did it evolve? Did it just pop out of nothing? What?
See, this is the weakness of your position; your entire argument is "oh wow, you really believe consciousness just came about by chance?!" and yet the thing you believe in either just happened out of nothing- by chance- or always was, which is equally spontaneous. You keep telling us that consciousness has to have a designer while trying to sweep under the rug the fact that you already believe that consciousness can occur without a designer! Your underlying position invalidates the premises you're trying to impose on the rest of us, and I don't see how you can resolve this double standard without special pleading.
Now, you talked about swearing earlier, and asked if it was some atheist tradition. I can't be bothered to go back and find the quote but I will point out that I haven't once cursed in any of my posts to you beyond a mild "crap" in one, I believe. I did this in the hopes that it'd cause you to sit up and see that someone is attempting to enter into this conversation on somewhat even ground, and I've been disappointed by just how many of my posts you've ignored in order to chastise those that do swear. It seems like you're more interested in pointing out those that don't follow your conversational preferences than responding to those that do. On the off chance that this is just a coincidence, I think the point I made in the paragraph preceding this one is worth a response, don't you?
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