Common self contradiction of the religious

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Common self contradiction of the religious

Tonus

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RE: Common self contradiction of the religious

June 8, 2014 at 7:46 am

(June 7, 2014 at 11:03 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:
(June 7, 2014 at 6:28 am)Tonus Wrote: I think a more fascinating question is: how does timelessness work? What is it like to be outside of time?

Not a clue. What do you think?

I have no idea; the concept doesn't seem rational to me.

orangebox21 Wrote:
(June 7, 2014 at 6:28 am)Tonus Wrote: Presumably, god exists in some form that is capable of action and thought, and therefore capable of marking time.
If God is able to transcend time, even if He is able to mark time, He wouldn't be bound by it.

How does he transcend time?

orangebox21 Wrote:
(June 7, 2014 at 6:28 am)Tonus Wrote: Was god just one second old when he began to create the universe?
If God is timeless He can't be old.

Then we're back to my original quip-- he literally waited forever to begin creating.

"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould

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Common self contradiction of the religious - by Freedom of thought - May 30, 2014 at 12:19 pm

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - May 30, 2014 at 12:30 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by The Grand Nudger - May 30, 2014 at 12:45 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Ryantology - June 5, 2014 at 4:01 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Cyberman - June 8, 2014 at 1:42 pm

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - May 30, 2014 at 12:52 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by The Grand Nudger - May 30, 2014 at 12:59 pm

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - May 30, 2014 at 1:03 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 30, 2014 at 1:53 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Faith No More - May 30, 2014 at 2:11 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by The Grand Nudger - May 30, 2014 at 4:08 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Godschild - June 5, 2014 at 12:38 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by LostLocke - June 5, 2014 at 12:45 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Chad32 - June 5, 2014 at 12:46 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Godschild - June 5, 2014 at 1:30 pm

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - June 5, 2014 at 1:06 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Tonus - June 5, 2014 at 1:08 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by orangebox21 - June 7, 2014 at 12:32 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Tonus - June 7, 2014 at 6:28 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by orangebox21 - June 7, 2014 at 11:03 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Freedom of thought - June 8, 2014 at 1:26 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Tonus - June 8, 2014 at 7:46 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Ryantology - June 8, 2014 at 4:22 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 9, 2014 at 8:32 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Ravenshire - June 8, 2014 at 5:34 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by The Valkyrie - June 8, 2014 at 5:36 pm

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - June 5, 2014 at 1:11 pm

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - June 5, 2014 at 1:34 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by orangebox21 - June 5, 2014 at 1:42 pm

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - June 5, 2014 at 2:13 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Minimalist - June 5, 2014 at 2:53 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Bad Writer - June 5, 2014 at 3:24 pm

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - June 7, 2014 at 12:59 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by vorlon13 - June 7, 2014 at 9:04 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Ryantology - June 7, 2014 at 3:23 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by orangebox21 - June 8, 2014 at 11:33 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Tonus - June 9, 2014 at 5:41 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Ryantology - June 9, 2014 at 7:32 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Freedom of thought - June 15, 2014 at 12:02 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by MindForgedManacle - June 9, 2014 at 12:52 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Cyberman - June 9, 2014 at 1:44 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by orangebox21 - June 10, 2014 at 12:07 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 5:46 am

Common self contradiction of the religious - by Rampant.A.I. - June 10, 2014 at 12:13 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Minimalist - June 10, 2014 at 1:51 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 14, 2014 at 11:25 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Tonus - June 15, 2014 at 9:53 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Cyberman - June 15, 2014 at 5:07 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by archangle - June 10, 2014 at 7:48 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Cyberman - June 10, 2014 at 9:47 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Minimalist - June 15, 2014 at 12:06 pm

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by orangebox21 - June 16, 2014 at 1:11 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Freedom of thought - June 17, 2014 at 4:15 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by orangebox21 - June 19, 2014 at 2:21 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Freedom of thought - June 20, 2014 at 4:37 am

RE: Common self contradiction of the religious - by Freedom of thought - June 20, 2014 at 9:27 am

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