(June 8, 2014 at 11:33 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: God created time and yet he transcends it (He is not held subject to it's properties) If I were to create a dinner plate I would transcend that dinner plate. Certainly the plate is not alive, yet I am. The plate cannot move yet I am able to. The plate cannot think nor reason yet I am able to do both. So just as I am able to transcend something I have created, so to God is able to transcend His.I can see this being used to state that god transcends the universe, since he creates the universe. And in this case we might say that god transcends time, since time is a property of the universe. Then we have to wonder which plane of existence god 'lives' in, and why time would not be a property of that plane of existence.
orangebox21 Wrote:Forever is a measure of time. Can someone wait an amount of time in a state of timelessness? This seems nonsensical.The concept of eternity going back seems nonsensical too, but it must be real for the universe to exist. If we step outside of the universe, how would we mark time? If god decides to ponder a question, has time passed while he pondered the question? Is there no way to place god's actions on a timeline that extends past the creation of the universe?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould
