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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
(June 10, 2014 at 1:45 pm)Theonewhoanswersyourquestions Wrote: Honestly, yes it is possible, yet we are born in sin, there is still a choice WE make, so what we do is our choice, yet knowing that man still sins, and I find that God knows everything, can PREDICT the future, but does not exactly what will happen, only guess at what would happen, therefore that is why he does not intervene, we'll actually sometimes he does intervene, in certain instances
But the imperfect human does NOT have the choice to not sin. In Romans 7:14-25, Paul admits that he seeks to do what is right but cannot avoid committing sin, and expresses his despair at his lowly state ("What a wretched man I am!"). Thus the notion that we bear the full responsibility for our decisions seems false-- we have been corrupted and cannot help but to sin. Humanity has been cursed by god before all but two of us (Adam and Eve) had the opportunity to prove ourselves.

Imagine if humanity had been allowed to continue to be born perfect and had the opportunity to see the cost of sin (via Adam and Eve) before we were cursed with it? How many humans would have decided to side with god once they understood what they stood to lose? Instead, they lost it before they got the opportunity, only to be told that god had a complicated plan that involved a rough weekend and which would result in his making us an offer we couldn't refuse. That seems awfully sloppy and terribly unfair.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - May 30, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by vorlon13 - May 30, 2014 at 11:51 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - May 31, 2014 at 8:13 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 2, 2014 at 11:33 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 11, 2014 at 8:53 am
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 11, 2014 at 8:23 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 11, 2014 at 8:36 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 13, 2014 at 12:24 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Esquilax - June 13, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 13, 2014 at 10:43 am
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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Rampant.A.I. - June 13, 2014 at 10:58 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Mystical - June 20, 2014 at 3:34 pm

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