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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
(June 10, 2014 at 2:07 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(June 10, 2014 at 1:45 pm)Theonewhoanswersyourquestions Wrote: Honestly, yes it is possible, yet we are born in sin, there is still a choice WE make, so what we do is our choice, yet knowing that man still sins, and I find that God knows everything, can PREDICT the future, but does not exactly what will happen, only guess at what would happen, therefore that is why he does not intervene, we'll actually sometimes he does intervene, in certain instances
But the imperfect human does NOT have the choice to not sin. In Romans 7:14-25, Paul admits that he seeks to do what is right but cannot avoid committing sin, and expresses his despair at his lowly state ("What a wretched man I am!"). Thus the notion that we bear the full responsibility for our decisions seems false-- we have been corrupted and cannot help but to sin. Humanity has been cursed by god before all but two of us (Adam and Eve) had the opportunity to prove ourselves.

Imagine if humanity had been allowed to continue to be born perfect and had the opportunity to see the cost of sin (via Adam and Eve) before we were cursed with it? How many humans would have decided to side with god once they understood what they stood to lose? Instead, they lost it before they got the opportunity, only to be told that god had a complicated plan that involved a rough weekend and which would result in his making us an offer we couldn't refuse. That seems awfully sloppy and terribly unfair.

Paul says this knowing he can't be perfect, and knowing most people cannot either, sin is too appealing to the human eye, so yes, it is our fault

And if we would have given the choice to choose again, it would have saddened God more and more, because time an time again we would have chosen sin, not purposely, but still would have committed sin, knowing it is wrong, hell, even I sin sometimes, inside I know it's wrong but I mess up, and God forgives me of my sin, and forgives all sin if the commiter truly sees the error of ways and repents

(June 10, 2014 at 2:02 pm)Cato Wrote:
(June 10, 2014 at 1:54 pm)Lek Wrote: The devil wouldn't want to stop her and if God allows our free will he won't stop it either.

I'm better than God then. Despite my children's free will I didn't allow them to play in traffic.

We'll no, God is almighty and no one is better than him, and there's always an opportunity to stop something from happening, you stopping the kid from running in traffic, is an example of that

(June 10, 2014 at 2:14 pm)Starvald Demelain Wrote:
(June 10, 2014 at 2:02 pm)Cato Wrote: I'm better than God then. Despite my children's free will I didn't allow them to play in traffic.

I'd say a good portion of the population is better than the Abrahamic god. Big Grin

And no, no one is greater than God, just saying that proves you are worse
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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - May 30, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by vorlon13 - May 30, 2014 at 11:51 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - May 31, 2014 at 8:13 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - May 31, 2014 at 8:17 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Jackie - May 31, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Zen Badger - May 31, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - May 31, 2014 at 9:01 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Zen Badger - May 31, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - May 31, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 2, 2014 at 11:33 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 3, 2014 at 12:32 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 3, 2014 at 10:56 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 3, 2014 at 1:44 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 3, 2014 at 8:49 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 4, 2014 at 1:03 am
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 4, 2014 at 12:19 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 4, 2014 at 8:49 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by LostLocke - June 9, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by LostLocke - June 4, 2014 at 1:08 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Ksa - June 5, 2014 at 6:24 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 5, 2014 at 8:09 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Ksa - June 6, 2014 at 7:43 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 6, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 6, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 3, 2014 at 9:28 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Minimalist - May 31, 2014 at 8:25 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - May 31, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - May 31, 2014 at 8:40 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Minimalist - June 1, 2014 at 1:44 am
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 3, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 3, 2014 at 9:33 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Ryantology - June 3, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 3, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Ryantology - June 3, 2014 at 11:34 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 4, 2014 at 3:25 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 3, 2014 at 10:02 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 3, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 3, 2014 at 11:16 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 3, 2014 at 11:35 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Ryantology - June 3, 2014 at 11:48 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Mystical - June 4, 2014 at 7:09 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Ksa - June 4, 2014 at 7:54 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Mystical - June 3, 2014 at 11:12 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Mystical - June 3, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 3, 2014 at 11:40 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 4, 2014 at 5:13 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 4, 2014 at 9:39 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by LostLocke - June 4, 2014 at 9:48 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Mystical - June 3, 2014 at 11:49 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 4, 2014 at 8:56 pm
Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Rampant.A.I. - June 5, 2014 at 9:13 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 6, 2014 at 7:45 am
Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Rampant.A.I. - June 6, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 6, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 6, 2014 at 3:36 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 6, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 6, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Ksa - June 6, 2014 at 5:39 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 6, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 6, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 10, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Theonewhoanswersyourquestions - June 10, 2014 at 2:21 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 10, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 10, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 2:25 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 10, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 10, 2014 at 2:59 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 10, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 10, 2014 at 2:02 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 10, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Godschild - June 10, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Ryantology - June 10, 2014 at 3:18 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 10, 2014 at 6:05 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 10, 2014 at 4:44 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Mystical - June 10, 2014 at 8:05 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Esquilax - June 11, 2014 at 7:20 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 7:02 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 7:21 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 7:29 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Tonus - June 10, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 10, 2014 at 4:27 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Jackalope - June 10, 2014 at 5:09 pm
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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Rampant.A.I. - June 10, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 10, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cato - June 11, 2014 at 8:53 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 11, 2014 at 8:11 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 11, 2014 at 8:23 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 11, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 11, 2014 at 8:43 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Jackalope - June 11, 2014 at 8:46 pm
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RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 12, 2014 at 6:28 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Cyberman - June 12, 2014 at 8:15 pm
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Bob Kelso - June 13, 2014 at 12:24 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Esquilax - June 13, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Lek - June 13, 2014 at 10:43 am
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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Rampant.A.I. - June 10, 2014 at 8:04 pm
Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler - by Rampant.A.I. - June 13, 2014 at 10:58 am
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