A Serious Question For Theists

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The answer is no,

And there it is, another self proclaimed christian (not that any of us believe that he really is, after all, where's the evidence?) desperate to shirk accountability. This tells me all I need to know, that you just want to pull the same tricks everyone pulls whenever they get it into their heads to do this: you want to move the goalposts by making them invisible, operating under a secret, amorphous set of conditions that change so that nobody is a True Christian until they fall exactly in line with what you claim to believe. Do exactly as GC wants, but don't pray over a potato cake at three forty nine in the morning every April fourth? Whoops, not a True Christian! Your religiousness was a lie!

What a dishonest, and thoroughly unsurprising, move from you, GC.

I know that it's peer pressure that causes these former believers not to reveal what they did, their afraid of being embarrassed.

I'll be interested to know how you gained the telepathic powers necessary to know what other people whom you don't know are thinking. Do tell.

Or is it that you're just making a mockery of what knowledge is again?

Deals are not part of a discussion and I wasn't looking to put anyone down, I wanted to see if these people actually tried.

No, you wanted to disparage everyone else in your typical passive aggressive way, let's not bullshit around here. If you wanted to see if they'd tried, if that was actually the reason, then you'd have no problem with telling us what constitutes "trying" ahead of time. But you won't, because what you really want to do is point the finger at everyone else.

You see they should do this because they have their own courage, not because you convinced them to. Actually I would be offended by your proposal to convince me to speak up, who do you believe you are that you have control or authority over these who say they once believed.

I said encourage, you loon.

They are their own persons and can decide for themselves. If they do refuse it will give Christians grounds to doubt their sincerity,

Well, since you aren't a christian- at least, I haven't seen any evidence of it- then that's okay.

I've shared my pre-Christian past without a care as what other Christians thought, why since I did is it such a big deal for the former believers. You talk about moving the goal post, if I were to present a set of conditions then the former believers could move their goal post to meet the conditions, so once again No.

GC

What's to stop the former believers from exaggerating their accounts anyway? Nothing at all. See, that's the thing; all your excuses are easy to dismantle with a little thought, leaving the dishonest heart of your motivations plain to see.

Interesting also that you'd ask the question, and then in the next breath accuse everyone you want to answer it of being potential liars; do you want to hear the answer or not? Because immediately introducing the idea that they'll all lie if they know what the details of the question actually are kind of hints that you don't really care what the answer is.

Oh, and I thought only god could judge who is and isn't a true christian? Why keep the conditions secret as though you can judge these people, then? Are you better at this than god?

Oh right, you're not a christian, you don't believe in god.