Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler

[Esquilax]

This makes me laugh when atheists say they would rather experience unabated torment in hell than unabated happiness in heaven. You're being dishonest here. And I do wish that everyone would end up in heaven, but I'm not assuming that everyone I meet would want to be there because they don't have a realistic perception of heaven and hell.

Heaven, as you believe it, is going to be full of all the people that believe as you do. To start with, that means that heaven is going to be full of all the arrogant, condescending, preachy, petty people that we meet here in the forums, the ones with detailed revenge fantasies about how god is going to get everyone who disagrees with them, and who think it's a perfectly fine thing to disrespect any sense of boundaries in order to preach, then deem themselves the arbiters of what's in everyone else's mind, and who is and isn't lying. Your heaven is full to the brim with assholes, apparently; why would we want to spend eternity with such thoroughly disagreeable people.

But think a little further; heaven is filled with only people who agree with each other. No new ideas will be present, no sources of conflict or growth, and no challenge. So now we've got a realm filled with doctrinally-obsessed windbags who now have confirmation that their personal interpretation of how life works is sufficient to earn them a ticket to heaven, and what happens next? Any tiny, piffling differences that do exist will become sources of conflict, because these kinds of people, the ones happy to bandy about their presuppositions, believe on faith and tell everyone else who is and isn't a True Christian, are exactly the kinds of people who would cause fights over the tiniest points of disagreement. Hell, you only have to look at how the Christian Right behaves here on earth to see that.

Heaven sounds gross, and "no, you're lying," isn't an argument, Lek.