A reason to believe?

[fr0d0]

Yeah I know. You want to know a reason to believe God actually exists outside of theological conosideration.

I want your reason to believe that he exists at all.

Which is what I said. My words.

You've said silly things like he doesn't actually exist he 'just is' which doesn't make any sense at all because he can't do or be anything if he doesn't exist. If he doesn't exist he isn't anything. If he doesn't exist he isn't real.

Please quote me. I said it isn't important. That God just is, rather than is existant per se. That I believe in God, not that I have to know his existence. ....Very different.

Here's the thread if you want to check that: http://atheistforums.org/thread-2391-page-1.html

You can't have any reasons to believe that God exists if you can't have evidence for it because that's the same thing.

Only in your mind Evie. Like I've said : 1. you demand to know 2. you can't know = Evie is stuck.

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If God exists he exists whether you believe he does or not right? So then belief in his existence is the acknowledgement of his existence, and not something I just made up.

In order for it to be an acknowledgment of 'his existence', he would be required to exist. So that doesn't quite answer the question, really. If he does exist, he does so whether I believe in him or not, but that does not work the other way. Believing in him does not make him real. See what I'm saying here?

Yes, well.. believing in him doesn't make him real ...so that isn't a reason to believe in him. It obviously meant bugger all to me as I chose to not believe once too.

My believing in him happens to enable me to be more than I've ever been before. And I've elected not to believe for a fair few years once, and initially believed as an adult... no childish perceptions here.

If believing is a good experience for you, then by all means... believe anything you like. I am still not convinced that belief in god is anything more than self-delusion, but I support your right to delude yourself as you see fit!

Y thankyou

In your position I don't think I was so generous.. so kudos to you

If all it were a delusion, but it did actually increase measurably one's happiness quotient... this would be a valid reason to believe, no?

(stupid emoticon removed)

You made the tiger emote sad. That was mean.

Expect a visitation from some kickass godesses of PAIN soon!