A reason to believe?

[Edwardo Piet]

I believe without evidence, but through experience, that the sun will rise the next morning when I wake up.

You think that's without evidence? You're mad! lol.

If you have a reason to believe at all, you have evidence. It's the same thing. Evidence= an indication of the truth of.

Experience of the sun coming up, and science, is more than enough evidence that the sun comes up.

I believe without evidence, but through experience, that when I come home I will not find it burned down to the ground when I get there.

You're still talking about evidence here. That's evidence for you. This is just a semantic issue matey. (Btw, in case you don't know already, when I said that you were "mad", I was joking. I mean no hostility and only wish to be friendly really ).

I believe without evidence, but through experience, that if I make a mistake in my relationship it will still be possible to reconcile with the person I love.

The fact you think you have reason to believe it, is once again your evidence, it's what evidence means - an indication.

I believe without evidence, but through experience, that having hope through bad times is no more false hope than having hope through good times.

Well false hope is hope that isn't based on reality.

And anyway, see what I said above.

I have to wonder, EvF, why does it bother you so much, and why be so vehement in lashing out at fr0do? Take a chill pill, dude, it's only a debate. Right?

It doesn't bother me. It interests me. I'm already chilled out and that's why I can easily afford to keep persisting with fr0d0. In fact, I enjoy it. I've always been a persistent person really - well, especially since I was like 13. It's how I am.

I have not said anything nasty to fr0d0 and if I did I'm sure he'd know I was only joking because I actually consider him a friend. We chat on MSN sometimes too lol.

Oh, and Paul, I don't think that was a fancy way of saying God is outside the realm of evidence. He is just outside the realm of scientific evidence.

Well said there matey. fr0d0 needs to stop telling me that I'm asking for any specific evidence. I'm not and I never have. I am not asking for scientific evidence, provable evidence, empirical evidence, etc, etc - I'm just asking for evidence. And when he says he has a reason to believe that his belief in God is at all reality based - that means exactly the same thing as "I have evidence", so he is contradicting himself when he then says he has no evidence. As I keep saying (I wonder when he will accept this semantic contradiction he keeps making?).

EvF