(June 14, 2014 at 8:26 am)alpha male Wrote:(June 13, 2014 at 10:48 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Funny how you don't see fit to provide any examples.If you want one...
You called him out for making a bare assertion:
Quote:I'll be interested to know how you gained the telepathic powers necessary to know what other people whom you don't know are thinking. Do tell.And then did the same yourself in your next point:
Quote:No, you wanted to disparage everyone else in your typical passive aggressive way, let's not bullshit around here.
Fair enough I suppose, though I do have the entirety of GC's posting history pointing to how he'll behave, whereas I called GC out on his bare assertion on the motivation of other people. And I'd also like to point out that GC's response to me was... disparaging, aggressive bullshit!
A prediction of actions is not the same as an assertion on motivation.
Quote:You also have a burden of proof fallacy. When someone claims that they used to be a Christian, that claim necessarily includes the claim of knowing what a Christian is. You attempted to shift the burden of proof to GC.
Not at all; what I did was note that "Christian" is a highly subjective label, as the thousands of denominations of that religion attests. What GC was proposing was that proof be provided sufficient to satisfy his conception of what a christian is- which isn't necessarily the same thing as what the person providing the proof thinks- and he wants to do that without providing what conditions are present in his version of christianity. This is, obviously, very vulnerable to the No True Scotsman fallacy, and when asked to provide some criteria that one might measure this with, he refused. It's not up to GC to prove that everyone else wasn't a christian, but what does need to happen is we either need to accept that his definition of a christian is not binding to everyone else, or if he's unwilling to do that he needs to provide his set of criteria ahead of time so we can be sure that success is actually possible. As I said in the initial post, I don't think adding some accountability to the interrogator is too much to ask for, and frankly I think it's strange how willing you guys seem to be to scrabble away from that.
More importantly, the question is ill formed! "Tell me what you did when you claim you were a christian so that we can see if you really were one," isn't an applicable test, because christianity isn't an attribute, it's a set of beliefs and actions, a title. If a soccer player scores the lowest percentage of goals in his whole team, that doesn't make him not a soccer player, it just makes him a bad soccer player. Likewise, a christian, even if they fail all of GC's criteria, just makes them bad at being a christian, it doesn't somehow take that status away from them.
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