Moon Landing: Fake or Real?

[pocaracas]

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If I'm serious?... meh... I'm agnostic.

I must have missed that detail about your dad... sorry. Did any of your friends take pictures of that rubble? A Before and After would be nice...



There's a movie with all the conspiracy theories?!
How convenient...


See what I mean?
I ask for evidence of the facts and you guys attack... claiming the government is incompetent and, so, unable to pull such an elaborate stunt... As is the case in any organization, there are competent people and incompetent ones. Just because some incompetencies have surfaced, that doesn't mean that some competencies would surface as easily.

I haven't googled this subject, as I'd expect to find many conflicting reports... some from the conspiracy theorists, some from those debunking them... Please direct me to a clean source: one that gives me the facts and preferably not just debunkings.

This "I have friends who cleared Al Qaeda occupied buildings where they were hollowing out babies to fill with explosives. " reminds me of the old canard that communists (or whatever group of people you're trying to make out into an even worse "race") eat babies for breakfast... It's second hand (at best) information apparently intent on bringing forth the disgust of the general population.
Mind you, I believe there are people out there that would be capable of such actions... and the terrorist profile could fit... but did they really do that?

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As for the moon landing, all it took was a bit of Newtonian physics, lots of thrust, oxygen tanks, some first steps venturing out... and it's there. They only got there at the 11th launch.
I see no reason to fake it, and all the evidence points to it having actually happened.

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If you want to discuss your 9-11 conspiracy theory, start a thread, or go post in the thread where it's already being debunked. There is no point in spending time debunking something that hilariously far-fetched when this thread is about the moronic denial of the moon landing.

Too bad, I didn't start the derailing... But I don't see such other thread and this is just a final note about the subject.

As it is, you have yet to produce a reason for the conspiracy, the methodology of how such a conspiracy was carried out, or provide enough support for such wild claims.

I made a claim?
I only asked questions.
My goal was to ascertain the truth of what the media relayed.

You don't expect "9-11 was an inside job" to be taken at face value, and accepted as compelling just because you say so, do you?

The real thing I found difficult to accept was that about one or two weeks of the event, the media was claiming Al-Qaeda involvement.

According to one of your links:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/9-11-conspir...wont-stop/

Osama bin Laden publicly gloated about and repeatedly referred to al Qaeda's "success" on September 11, 2001. In an audiotape released on May 23, 2006, bin Laden stated, "I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers ... with those raids..."

So, if the attacks were claimed only in 2006, how did the media come to link them to Al-Qaeda in 2001?

None of your other links provided an answer to this.

So I googled... wikied, more like... and came across this:

For several months after the 9/11 attacks, no one, nor any group, claimed responsibility for the attacks, so the primary responsibility fell solely upon the hijackers, all of whom were killed and all of whom left no message or any claim of responsibility behind at explaining why they had carried the attacks out. As the media covered the 9/11 attacks unfolding, many quickly speculated that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks.[20] On the day of the attacks, the National Security Agency intercepted communications that pointed to Osama bin Laden,[21] as did German intelligence agencies.[22] This helped rule out other immediate suspects, such as Croatian nationalists, who had bombed Grand Central Terminal on September 11, 1976.[23]

Oh, damn... not what I want, yet...

The investigators were quickly able to link the 19 men to the terrorist organization al-Qaeda, also by accessing material in their intelligence agency files. The New York Times reported on September 12 that: "Authorities said they had also identified accomplices in several cities who had helped plan and execute Tuesday’s attacks. Officials said they knew who these people were and important biographical details about many of them. They prepared biographies of each identified member of the hijack teams, and began tracing the recent movements of the men." FBI agents in Florida investigating the hijackers quickly "descended on flight schools, neighborhoods and restaurants in pursuit of leads." At one flight school, "students said investigators were there within hours of Tuesday’s attacks."[25] The Washington Post later reported that "In the hours after Tuesday’s bombings, investigators searched their files on [Satam] al-Suqami and [Ahmed] al-Ghamdi, noted the pair’s ties to [Nabil] al-Marabh and launched a hunt for him."[26]

Based on the evidence, authorities in the United States quickly asserted that Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda organization were solely responsible for the attacks, and other suspects were ruled out. The Government of the United Kingdom reached the same conclusion.[27] Although he denied the attacks at first, Osama bin Laden had since claimed full responsibility.

Ah... finally! Something!
Good, I'm convinced.