RE: he knows im right, but is still a christian?
June 19, 2014 at 2:31 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 2:52 pm by Creed of Heresy.)
(June 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Since you apparently have all the answers, what caused the big bang? Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?
A man of science knows he does not have all the answers.
A man of naive arrogance thinks his religion does.
A man of conceited self-indulgent unintelligent narcissism snidely asks questions while starting the question with "since apparently you have all the answers" of someone who has not claimed to do so while believing he himself has all the answers via his beliefs, despite having no evidence for any of his answers via his beliefs.
Since your religion has all the answers...what caused earth and all in it to suddenly spontaneously come into existence within seven days, while actually taking billions of years to do so?
Go ahead. Look in your book. Try and answer that. And don't give me any half-assed bullshit wherein you try to pretend that it's all allegorical, because nothing in the bible suggests that Genesis was allegory.
As for what "caused" the Big Bang...
DeepAstronomy Wrote:Our curiosity gives us the ability to look beyond the present moment. From it, we have evolved an urge to look for causes, it is an inseparable part of our biology. Because of this, we really can't help ourselves when we attempt to find a cause for creation, it is second nature for us to ask, 'What Caused the Big Bang?'Source: http://www.deepastronomy.com/what-caused...-bang.html
Any answer to this problem must begin with a key realization: both time and space are contained within the universe and came into existence only AFTER the Big Bang occurred. The cause of the universe must not include them, they are not available to us. It must come from outside our experience.
In this realm, the solution, whatever it is, will seem very strange to us, and it will almost certainly make no sense to our brains because here, it is possible to have an event with no cause. There is no time, there is no before in which the Big Bang could have occurred, there simply is no cause and effect.
We must somehow come up with a solution that exists outside time and space.
Before you say "goddidit," by the way:
DeepAstronomy Wrote:For many "God caused the big bang" is a perfectly reasonable response. This seems to help many cope with the unsatisfying prospect of an event without a cause.
The problem of course is that one is then immediately forced to ask, "From where did the creator come?"
If the answer is "he always existed" then we have a situation, from a causality standpoint, that is no more satisfying than a universe that springs forth from nothing. A creator that has always existed is an entity that somehow exists without a cause.
So this answer doesn't solve the causality issue whatsoever.
And finally...
DeepAstronomy Wrote:The real problem with this question of what caused the big bang is ultimately a biological one; our brains have evolved to assume that everything has a cause, we can't imagine any event ever not having one.
You want an answer where there very well be none at all, so you invent one.
I actually sympathize with that, in a sense, though only to the extent that you want an answer to an extremely difficult question; not to the extent that you have to make something up to satisfy yourself.
Quote:Creation and evolution are two entirely different subjects.
Evolution does not explain how life was created, therefore one can believe in both creation and evolution.
No, but abiogenesis does. Also, nobody "believes in" evolution. The word you are looking for is "understand." Your sentence should go: Evolution explains how life has become what it is today and how it will make life become what it will be tomorrow, and abiogenesis explains how life can be created, but some people are ignorant enough to believe in creation rather than attempt to understand the complexity of the universe and how science has been progressively explaining more and more of it.
You might wanna move those goalposts a bit further back. Should be easy. You guys do it all the time.
(June 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Since you apparently have all the answers, what caused the big bang? Also what contradictions of the Bible have you discussed?
A man of science knows he does not have all the answers.
A man of naive arrogance thinks his religion does.
A man of conceited self-indulgent narcissism snidely asks questions while starting the question with "since apparently you have all the answers" while believing he himself has all the answers, despite having no evidence that he has all the answers.
Since your religion has all the answers...what caused earth and all in it to suddenly spontaneously come into existence within seven days, while actually taking billions of years to do so?
Go ahead. Look in your book. Try and answer that. And don't give me any half-assed bullshit wherein you try to pretend that it's all allegorical, because nothing in the bible suggests that Genesis was allegory.
Quote:Creation and evolution are two entirely different subjects.
Evolution does not explain how life was created, therefore one can believe in both creation and evolution.
No, but abiogenesis does. Also, nobody "believes in" evolution. The word you are looking for is "understand." Your sentence should go: Evolution explains how life has become what it is today and how it will make life become what it will be tomorrow, and abiogenesis explains how life can be created, but some people are ignorant enough to believe in creation rather than attempt to understand the complexity of the universe and how science has been progressively explaining more and more of it.
You might wanna move those goalposts a bit further back. Should be easy. You guys do it all the time.
(June 19, 2014 at 2:14 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Ooh nice. That one didn't touch the sides
Even though it touched both.
(June 19, 2014 at 4:05 am)fr0d0 Wrote: How come you in your ignorance want other people to be as ignorant as you?!
Oh if only you understood the concept of irony...
(June 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm)alpha male Wrote: Why do you want him to stop believing?
Why do you want others to believe?