RE: There is no God.
June 19, 2014 at 3:26 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2014 at 3:40 pm by Mudhammam.)
(June 19, 2014 at 7:00 am)fr0d0 Wrote: We don't need to prove the non existence of god/s for sure. We don't need to prove existence either.If you're telling children that the moon is made of cheese, that they had better believe it is made of cheese or else they'll be condemned to the ovens for eternity, or if you're promoting the general idea that it may be made of cheese but we just can't know and shouldn't trust any observations made by scientists, then the justification is on you to provide sound reasoning for why anyone should not hold you morally accountable for spreading such nonsense. We have every right to marginalize your type in the sphere of public discourse and diminish any effects you may have at misleading more people. That being said, I can wait for you to provide justification, which you never will because you can't, and just ignore the perpetual lies your fellow conspirators tell naive saps, or I can actively argue the case that science leaves no room for any relevant definition of God. The problem with the deist god is not merely that there's no reason to believe it exists and actually reasons to the contrary, the problem is that it is irrelevant to us.
Quote:Science always works on proof though, and if shonuff claims that science claims something, anything, then he better be prepared to support that claim with evidence.Virtually all major fields of science have chipped away at the characteristics of god we were told counted. All that's left standing is an ineffable force, you might as well call it "quantum spiritual energy vibration." I can confidently state there is no such thing because that phrase literally has no meaning in relation to anything actually observed in the real world. Those words all mean something in a specific context. Stringing them together does not illuminate a new concept previously unknown to man. It means next to nothing. Same with "the Godfather." He (the definition that matters, the one generally perceived as an omniscient, omnipotent, omniscient Mind's Eye, the one embraced by BILLIONS around the globe in many different faiths) is antithetical to the universe that we have found ourselves in.
Quote:Just trying to helpI hope I could clarify.
(June 19, 2014 at 7:15 am)Ben Davis Wrote: I like to be pedantic about this because of the implication of your statement here. What you're defining isn't 'atheism', it's 'antitheism': you're not disbelieving a positive claim in favour of theism, you're making a positive claim in opposition to theism. Antitheism is a subset of atheism but they're not the same thing. Your implication of dishonesty (that atheists are dodging a burden of proof by defining atheism in a particular way) is demonstrably wrong, unjustified and feeds some of the mischaracterisations of atheists which are used by aggressive theists to cause harm to non-believers.
Regarding the Abrahamic gods, I share your antitheism: they're demonstrable nonsense and sharing & popularising that information is a laudable goal. I'd simply ask you, please can you rethink the way you phrase your point so that you avoid giving ammo to theists who would do you harm?
I wholeheartedly embrace the label "anti-theist." I wish more atheists would as I see it to be the only moral and logical response to religious thinking, all things considered. But I reject the claim that I'm portraying atheists as somehow dishonest when they shift the burden of proof back to whom it belongs (the believers). I've stated that much clearly--the burden is not on us, but we also shouldn't simply sit around and wait for theists to try to make their case...they never have and never will, yet so many continue to be deceived. We should, in my opinion, be actively making the case against God, because science gives us a pretty good one.
(June 19, 2014 at 7:19 am)archangle Wrote: well, this is bullshit.Or maybe you just completely missed the point of science, which is thinking critically and questioning authority, gathering facts and testing theories...none of which leave room for religion other than a thing to study objectively, or the Abrahamic Gods, or pretty much all monotheistic or supreme deities traditionally granted that title.
You are making a claim that past the knowledge of science.
hey, but maybe your the smartest stupid fucker in the world.
Quote:for axample.
"I believe he is an asshole" (no one in particular just an example)
evidence;
based on thes post, he has no more insight about science than your average butt fucked alter boy.
If that was meant to be some indiscreet shot at me, you can kindly go fuck yourself.