RE: A discussion around family table.
May 6, 2010 at 10:56 pm
(May 6, 2010 at 8:34 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (May 6, 2010 at 7:14 pm)Scented Nectar Wrote: That would mean that no one goes to hell unless they want to go.
Absolutely. You have the choice to do the crime. Any punishment is the result of your choice. No one is forcing you to be good.
Your god punishes when there is no crime. And if there were one, what crime is bad enough to warrant eternal torture? Seriously, which sins deserve eternal torture as punishment? And if you do agree with your bible that it is deserved, what is accomplished by a punishment with no end? Surely not a life lesson learned so you can carry on in a better, or at least deterred, way afterwards since there is no afterwards to an eternity. Is your god that revengeful, sadistic and evil?
Quote:Your reward for positivity is a clear conscience. On the other hand, foster negativity and you live hell. you are tormented. What you're arguing is counter natural. What you seem to be promoting is non accountability, and that just doesn't fit logically, whatever way you look at it.
Then you are talking about some made up heaven and hell, rather than the one xtianity teaches. A clear conscience comes from honesty and fixing any problems you may have caused, not simply positive thoughts about an invisible being you are pretty sure is there watching you. I agree though, that negativity and torment happen together, but it's not as a divine punishment. Negative emotions are a simple result of bad things happening, no matter what the cause or who is to blame for those bad things.
Quote:I agree. 'Sin' is a positive act. Christianity prescribes to the idea that humans are imperfect.
Christianity also offers complete forgiveness.
If you make a claim of imperfection, then you should be able to state the specific flaw and why it is bad. If you go one step further and claim to be able to fix this flaw, the fix should be proveable, eg proof that praying or asking forgiveness will cure whatever the flaw, in amounts that show significantly better results than placebos. Going even one step further, if you fail to fix the alleged flaw with the person by not convincing them of your cure, and if your crazed dictator God, were real and going to punish them for these sins, shouldn't the punishments fit the crime?
Quote:You're bastardising the message by claiming it feeds on guilt. That's the opposite of Christianity, and an easy cop out rather than a frank consideration of the facts.
Maybe your personal interpretation doesn't rely on guilt, but xtianity and its bible certainly do. Have you never felt guilt about anything simply because of religion
telling you it's wrong, rather than feeling deep inside of you that it really
is a wrong thing to do?