RE: Hello, i am a real Christian
May 7, 2010 at 10:28 am
(This post was last modified: May 7, 2010 at 10:33 am by tackattack.)
@ Kichigaineko- I would respectfully request you stop calling me sweety, honey and the like... I'd slap my mom for calling me that. Feel free to call me dave, tack, tacky, or any other variation on my actual name.
1a- The only universally accepted doctrine of the different sects of Christianity is the Nicene Creed and I see nothing intolerant about
There's no condemnation or refusal or punishments other than the possible judgement day reference, which is kind of ambiguous. It seems like a simple statement of belief, not instructions on genocide for those who don't believe the same.
I agree that using the bible as your sole resource for mankind's most pertinent questions is disingenuous at worst, closed-minded and obstinant at best.cherry picking is also not a rrelious monopoly, it's human nature. I try and read within as much context as I can find and intake as many different viewpoints as possible before deciding anything, I'd like to hop that most those in my denomination do as well.
1b-Are you saying since I'm a christian that I'm partially to blame for the withhunts, and holy wars? That seems counter-intuitive to me. I can see where "historically" it could seem like a means of control and Catholicism might still reflect that today. To my knowledge there isn't that control in my denomination or church. I can, and have, walked away without any calls asking why I'm not at church or how's my walk speeched from the congregation. There was of course a little familial inquisition, but it was brief and unobtrusive.
I agree a crime is a crime regardless of your reasons (extreme or not). But primary repsonsibility vs associative responsibility, the latter has to have some limits. Otherwise you'd share some of the responsibility for ted bundy and hitler??
2-Martyrdom (as explained by my muslim friends) still must be done justly and proportionalte to the crime, not killing 100 people in a suicide run because your brother was shot by 1 infidel soldier. If your people are persecuted and the state of Islam is at war with the infidels then they would be declared at war and have the option to kill maime or exile the infidels.
I don't claim to have an excellent grasp of Muslim politics or beliefs.. I can't honestly say thought that reading those versus in the Qur'an (to include yours) that muslims condone mass murder or excessive martyrdom, which is backed up by the understanding of my muslim friends (from Sudan) who have read this post. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point I guess. If you fault the entire relgion for what a small number are doing, isn't that biasing you towards others of that religion, or are you saying you just want that religion abolished?
3-I believe in seperation of church and state therefore in regards to the legal sense of corruption I stand on the side of secular laws, not God's laws. If I break man's laws by following God's will I would expect to be punished by man's standards.
(May 7, 2010 at 9:34 am)tavarish Wrote:
1a- The only universally accepted doctrine of the different sects of Christianity is the Nicene Creed and I see nothing intolerant about
There's no condemnation or refusal or punishments other than the possible judgement day reference, which is kind of ambiguous. It seems like a simple statement of belief, not instructions on genocide for those who don't believe the same.
I agree that using the bible as your sole resource for mankind's most pertinent questions is disingenuous at worst, closed-minded and obstinant at best.cherry picking is also not a rrelious monopoly, it's human nature. I try and read within as much context as I can find and intake as many different viewpoints as possible before deciding anything, I'd like to hop that most those in my denomination do as well.
1b-Are you saying since I'm a christian that I'm partially to blame for the withhunts, and holy wars? That seems counter-intuitive to me. I can see where "historically" it could seem like a means of control and Catholicism might still reflect that today. To my knowledge there isn't that control in my denomination or church. I can, and have, walked away without any calls asking why I'm not at church or how's my walk speeched from the congregation. There was of course a little familial inquisition, but it was brief and unobtrusive.
I agree a crime is a crime regardless of your reasons (extreme or not). But primary repsonsibility vs associative responsibility, the latter has to have some limits. Otherwise you'd share some of the responsibility for ted bundy and hitler??
2-Martyrdom (as explained by my muslim friends) still must be done justly and proportionalte to the crime, not killing 100 people in a suicide run because your brother was shot by 1 infidel soldier. If your people are persecuted and the state of Islam is at war with the infidels then they would be declared at war and have the option to kill maime or exile the infidels.
I don't claim to have an excellent grasp of Muslim politics or beliefs.. I can't honestly say thought that reading those versus in the Qur'an (to include yours) that muslims condone mass murder or excessive martyrdom, which is backed up by the understanding of my muslim friends (from Sudan) who have read this post. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point I guess. If you fault the entire relgion for what a small number are doing, isn't that biasing you towards others of that religion, or are you saying you just want that religion abolished?
3-I believe in seperation of church and state therefore in regards to the legal sense of corruption I stand on the side of secular laws, not God's laws. If I break man's laws by following God's will I would expect to be punished by man's standards.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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