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Who is a real Christian?
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Who is a real Christian?
I'm making this topic because in the last one that I made the conversation went into a direction of defining which denominations are real Christian denominations and which are not Christians.

This is usually subject among Christians and I've seen (and I'm probably not the only one here) that Christians of different denominations accuse other denominations of not being Christians.

Like Catholics are not really Christians because they accept evolution (although that is relative), they have boring mass, they call Sunday the Sabbath day instead of Saturday. They use beads, worship Mary (pagan God), they have the Pope which is no-no, and so on. And of course every denomination or church outside of the Catholic Church is heretic.

Baptists are not Christians because they are called baptists and followers of Jesus Christ were never called Baptists. The followers of John were never called Baptists. They call Sunday the Sabbath day instead of Saturday. They have unscriptural means of raising money. Baptists make the wrong confession. They say "confess your sins," but Christ says in Matt. 10:32, "Whosoever therefore shall confess ME before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven." The confession is not made in baptism. And so on
http://main.nc.us/spchurchofchrist/STEPHENS.htm


Evangelicals are not christians because they are pro Trump, pro greed, hypocrites, they are into lies (like QAnon) etc.

Episcopalians are not Christians because of their support for access to abortion and the openness of some Episcopal priests to questions about the physical resurrection of Jesus. They ordain openly gay and lesbian bishops.


Presbyterians are not Christians because they recognize same-sex marriage as Christian while other denominations with a traditional doctrine of sexuality tend to interpret Scripture in its original context, maintaining a traditional understanding of gender and marriage as an essential part of that narrative.


Mormons are not Christian because they do not believe in the Trinity. They accept extra books in their canon. They believe that the death of the apostles led to the death of apostolic succession and that the traditional church perpetuated a false line of apostolic succession.


Pentecostals are not Christians because they believe in speaking in tongues (unintelligible language or gibberish). They put Bible on a secondary place with Pentecostals as compared to experience. They put women as pastors and teachers over whole congregations. And so on
http://www.oldpaths.com/Archive/Davis/Wi...alism.html


Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians because they don't believe in the Trinity (and who can blame them since the word Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible). They don't celebrate Sunday but Saturday. They came into existence in the late 19th Century.

Non-denominational Christians are not Christians because they are actually a denomination although they deny it. This isn't the model provided in the New Testament, which makes the idea of a non-denominational church itself an unbiblical concept. The pastor has far too much control and influence to the point that false doctrine is regularly taught and seldom challenged.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-core-...nal-church
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
Seems like modern Christians have an ever decreasing pool of doctrines to follow, eh?
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
A real Christian is anyone who self-identifies as a Christian, nothing more is needed.  Any attempt to further qualify it pretty quickly runs afoul of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
Donald Trump is a great example of true christian. Has lots of money and yet is very humble. Respects women.
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
(September 26, 2020 at 1:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A real Christian is anyone who self-identifies as a Christian, nothing more is needed.  Any attempt to further qualify it pretty quickly runs afoul of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Boru

The No True Scotsman fallacy does not apply to Christians, or any other identity which has inclusive criteria, when you are upholding that criteria. No true vegan eats steak for example, and no true Muslim eats pork. It is such by definition regardless of what the person claims.

Whatever the definition of a Scotsman might be, it is true that no true Scotsman lacks that definition. Once you go beyond that definition, only then is it a fallacy. No true vegan goes to work, and no true Scotsman wears Nike.
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
Whatever the definition of a christian might be, it is true that no true christian lacks that definition. OFC it applies, that was silly.

In any case, OP, who is and who isn't a christian isn't determined by cultists bickering over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, no matter how much this clown above me wishes it were so.
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
(September 27, 2020 at 1:59 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(September 26, 2020 at 1:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A real Christian is anyone who self-identifies as a Christian, nothing more is needed.  Any attempt to further qualify it pretty quickly runs afoul of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Boru

The No True Scotsman fallacy does not apply to Christians, or any other identity which has inclusive criteria, when you are upholding that criteria. No true vegan eats steak for example, and no true Muslim eats pork. It is such by definition regardless of what the person claims.

Whatever the definition of a Scotsman might be, it is true that no true Scotsman lacks that definition. Once you go beyond that definition, only then is it a fallacy. No true vegan goes to work, and no true Scotsman wears Nike.

How predictably schismatic of you.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#8
RE: Who is a real Christian?
If they believe the dead jew on a stick was somehow "god" then they are a christian.
As none of it is true then asking who is a real one is not valid. They are all false so whatever.



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RE: Who is a real Christian?
(September 27, 2020 at 3:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How predictably schismatic of you.

Boru

Meaning and definitions matter, remember? You're making yours up as you go.
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RE: Who is a real Christian?
(September 27, 2020 at 9:21 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(September 27, 2020 at 3:34 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How predictably schismatic of you.

Boru

Meaning and definitions matter, remember? You're making yours up as you go.

Ironic.

You have no problem in employing "arguments" based solely on etymology, but when it is used by others, you jump right on it.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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