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Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
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Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
I was reading yesterday about a atheist blogger at pathos that converted to catholicism and I was wondering how does one get from external morality to therefore god is real and it is the god of the bible and the bible is true.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
Head trauma?

Oxygen deprivation?
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
Especially since the bible is one of the most morally bankrupt works of fiction still around.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
Quote:I was wondering how does one get from external morality to therefore god is real and it is the god of the bible and the bible is true.

Just a few easy steps:

1. Convince yourself that the logical progression of thought is not part of theist arguments.

2. Start with your conclusion and work back towards your premise.

3. Ignore the TCF (Theistic Convenience Factor: 'The God that is real is the God who is most like me').

4. Remember that religious bigotry is something that occurs in other people ONLY.

5. Never forget that the moral strictures with which you, personally, are most comfortable are the ones most likely to be true.

Once you immerse yourself in these, the sky is - quite literally - the limit: You'll be able to convince yourself of ANY theistic proposition.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
If an atheist wants to re-convert that's his choice. Just remember that he is by far the exception, not the norm.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
- Dennis McKinsey
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
What is "external morality"?
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
I've always been skeptical of atheist-theist conversions
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
(October 4, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: If an atheist wants to re-convert that's his choice. Just remember that he is by far the exception, not the norm.

In this case it was a girl raised atheist.

(October 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm)Airyaman Wrote: What is "external morality"?

I was using it as a synonym for what theists call objective morality..

(October 4, 2013 at 8:34 pm)Searching4truth Wrote: I've always been skeptical of atheist-theist conversions
In this case the girl (Leah friesco) I think her name was, effectively quadrupled her traffic to her blog for at least a week
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
(October 4, 2013 at 6:47 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I was reading yesterday about a atheist blogger at pathos that converted to catholicism and I was wondering how does one get from external morality to therefore god is real and it is the god of the bible and the bible is true.

"Ya had to be there."

She was a bimbo undergrad who went ape-shit after her first real thought in her life, when she stopped talking Valley-girl, and actually took a Philosophy 101 class. She for the first time in her life heard the notion of Greek "idealism" and she actually thinks "7", (as in I kid you not) "seven" *exists* "out there", (in the ancient Greek idealistic sense). So she thinks "morality" (objectively) exists.

Coincidentally her new boyfriend just happened to be Catholic .. of course that had NOTHING to do with it. :p




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Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn
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RE: Morality is external therefore the Christian god is real?
(October 4, 2013 at 6:47 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: In this case the girl (Leah friesco) I think her name was, effectively quadrupled her traffic to her blog for at least a week
sounds like a sociology experiment
(October 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Coincidentally her new boyfriend just happened to be Catholic .. of course that had NOTHING to do with it.
bingo
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