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No True Scotsman
RE: No True Scotsman
(June 24, 2014 at 6:09 am)Cato Wrote:
(June 24, 2014 at 6:02 am)fr0d0 Wrote: How and why the hell wouldn't you want to accept this best solution?

The best? Nothing more than unsubstantiated opinion.

Any system that relies on the threat of eternal torment to influence behavior can hardly be described as the best.

I don't accept eternal torment so I guess that's why I can't entertain your objection.


(June 24, 2014 at 6:43 am)Tonus Wrote:
(June 24, 2014 at 6:02 am)fr0d0 Wrote: How and why the hell wouldn't you want to accept this best solution?
It presumes that there is someone there to grant perfection. Putting aside all of the questions regarding why that someone would put us through all of this if he had it to grant, if that person will not reveal himself to all, then the best option is to understand that we are what we are and find ways to work with what we have in order to get the most out of it. All in all, humanity has done a pretty impressive job of that, and religion was one of the tools, but I think we're ready to move on from it. We have more knowledge and a better understanding of ourselves and our world, and religion is becoming more and more of a detriment to progress IMO.

That's what I defined as a humanist view. I think it's clearly inferior to the Christian view. I don't think it's healthy to feel constantly inadequate. That sounds like you would think justified confidence is a bad thing. So I can't agree.


(June 24, 2014 at 6:55 am)max-greece Wrote:
Quote:Grant direct access to perfection

And this is where I find Christianity unfathomable. God is so obviously not perfect - he describes himself as Jealous and as wrathful, he's also proud and vain.

That is 4 of the 7 Catholic deadly sins right there. The other 3 - lust, gluttony and vanity may only be missing because we don't know him well enough.

Perfect? God? Not even close - way behind Wonder Woman for example.

I think you deliberately misunderstand.

eg: Anger isn't a 'sin'. Justice isn't a sin. Letting those fester etc is the sin/ is clearly unhealthy.
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No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by LostLocke - June 19, 2014 at 12:26 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Losty - June 20, 2014 at 6:46 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Minimalist - June 19, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by downbeatplumb - June 19, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 19, 2014 at 1:46 pm
No True Scotsman - by Bibliofagus - June 19, 2014 at 12:35 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Esquilax - June 19, 2014 at 2:09 pm
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RE: No True Scotsman - by ShaMan - June 19, 2014 at 4:10 pm
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RE: No True Scotsman - by Esquilax - June 19, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 5:03 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Esquilax - June 20, 2014 at 6:34 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 5:03 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 19, 2014 at 12:41 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 12:59 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 1:10 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Thackerie - June 22, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 19, 2014 at 12:42 pm
No True Scotsman - by Bibliofagus - June 19, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 19, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 19, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 19, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 1:02 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 19, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by LastPoet - June 19, 2014 at 12:55 pm
No True Scotsman - by Bibliofagus - June 19, 2014 at 1:03 pm
No True Scotsman - by Bibliofagus - June 19, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 19, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 1:36 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 19, 2014 at 1:39 pm
No True Scotsman - by Bibliofagus - June 19, 2014 at 1:39 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 19, 2014 at 1:47 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Strongbad - June 19, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by DeistPaladin - June 19, 2014 at 1:44 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 19, 2014 at 2:11 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by DeistPaladin - June 19, 2014 at 3:03 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by DeistPaladin - June 19, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Minimalist - June 19, 2014 at 1:49 pm
No True Scotsman - by Bibliofagus - June 19, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 19, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tonus - June 19, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 3:26 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tonus - June 19, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 19, 2014 at 4:11 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 4:19 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by DeistPaladin - June 19, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tonus - June 20, 2014 at 5:57 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Minimalist - June 19, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 19, 2014 at 4:09 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 19, 2014 at 4:21 pm
No True Scotsman - by Bibliofagus - June 19, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 4:36 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 19, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 19, 2014 at 5:21 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 20, 2014 at 3:10 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 20, 2014 at 8:17 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 20, 2014 at 8:33 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Esquilax - June 21, 2014 at 1:49 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 20, 2014 at 6:03 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Minimalist - June 19, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by jesus_wept - June 20, 2014 at 4:50 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2014 at 5:52 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by jesus_wept - June 20, 2014 at 7:41 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 20, 2014 at 9:11 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by jesus_wept - June 20, 2014 at 9:14 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Minimalist - June 20, 2014 at 12:12 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Mudhammam - June 20, 2014 at 12:34 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by jesus_wept - June 21, 2014 at 4:02 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 20, 2014 at 8:26 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Writer - June 20, 2014 at 8:37 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tiberius - June 20, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 20, 2014 at 8:43 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tiberius - June 20, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 20, 2014 at 9:08 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Mudhammam - June 20, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by DeistPaladin - June 21, 2014 at 1:15 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Minimalist - June 22, 2014 at 3:57 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 22, 2014 at 5:04 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Mudhammam - June 23, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Minimalist - June 23, 2014 at 8:42 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by SteelCurtain - June 20, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by max-greece - June 21, 2014 at 5:51 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by ronedee - June 22, 2014 at 3:11 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 22, 2014 at 6:58 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by max-greece - June 22, 2014 at 8:58 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Ryantology - June 22, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Ryantology - June 21, 2014 at 7:12 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 22, 2014 at 2:08 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 22, 2014 at 12:22 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by ignoramus - June 22, 2014 at 2:15 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by rexbeccarox - June 22, 2014 at 4:51 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 22, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 22, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Silver - June 22, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 22, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 22, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 22, 2014 at 4:23 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Wolf - June 22, 2014 at 5:39 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 22, 2014 at 2:42 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by DeistPaladin - June 22, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 22, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tonus - June 23, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Silver - June 22, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by max-greece - June 22, 2014 at 4:03 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by ThomM - June 22, 2014 at 7:27 pm
No True Scotsman - by Bibliofagus - June 23, 2014 at 10:03 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 23, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Mudhammam - June 23, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 6:02 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Cato - June 24, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 7:00 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Hoopington - June 24, 2014 at 7:10 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 7:15 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Hoopington - June 24, 2014 at 8:50 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Writer - June 24, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tonus - June 24, 2014 at 8:34 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tonus - June 24, 2014 at 6:43 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 24, 2014 at 9:36 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by max-greece - June 24, 2014 at 6:55 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Writer - June 24, 2014 at 7:17 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 7:30 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Writer - June 24, 2014 at 7:59 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 8:22 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Bad Writer - June 24, 2014 at 8:41 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 8:42 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Tonus - June 24, 2014 at 11:48 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 8:58 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Hoopington - June 24, 2014 at 9:00 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 9:25 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Hoopington - June 24, 2014 at 10:27 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 10:02 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by Grandizer - June 24, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by DeistPaladin - June 24, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Lek - June 24, 2014 at 3:23 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 24, 2014 at 10:09 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by fr0d0 - June 24, 2014 at 12:30 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by Chad32 - June 24, 2014 at 12:35 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2014 at 11:59 am
RE: No True Scotsman - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: No True Scotsman - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2014 at 3:58 pm

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