fr0d0 Wrote:The contradiction is : your understanding of the Christian position on this and mine/ every other Christian I know.I'm not going to even try adapting this to anyone's individual position, even yours, since it's impossible to know all the variations. The best and most accurate thing would be to base things on what their rulebook says, since that is the original source of their interpretations. The bible rulebook says eternal torture for not worshipping God. You are ordered to think good and happy thoughts about your ruler. If you don't, especially after you've been told about existence and what he wants you to do, you are tortured forever. It's really good that he's not real, because I would have to try and kill him to prevent everyone's (including myself's) torture. Self defense in an extreme way!
Quote:If I had the understanding you profess, I'd be very confused too. I certainly wouldn't be a Christian. You claim you're right in that understanding, and I'm asking you to show me how you come to that conclusion.I'm not confused about this. It's very clear. Do and think as God orders or go to hell and be told it's your own fault. I would never be able to authentically think nice thoughts about such an evil dictator. I would be scared however, and would probably try to change my thoughts in hopes of tricking/convincing myself and God.
Quote:For instance - you think that forced coercion makes you right with God?? You don't think it purely what's in your heart that counts - what you really feel? You don't think removal of choice = no choice? Forgive me... your position seems totally retarded.If you don't really feel nice thoughts about God, do you have a choice? Does God say it's alright as long as you give it a good try? Where's the choice? Even if it was all able to be done through choice, does that make it ok that these ridiculous, unecessary things are demanded at threat of endless torture?
Hope this doesn't seem spammy or something, but I made a youtube a couple weeks ago about heaven and hell and some of what I'm saying above. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nht_AgzONAA
