Proving the Bible is false in few words.

[Eilonnwy]

Fr0d0, interpretation of a scientific data is based on logic, however interpretation of a story will often be swayed by your own opinions and preconceived notions. So therefore, it cannot be "illogical" to interpret a story differently.

My interpretation is based on the words written there, backed up by specific passages. You have not provided any passages to back up the notion that it's spiritual death and/or physical death in the sense that they are not immortal, just your assertions that as a religious text that it must be the answer. The wording specifically states "and take also of the tree of life", which to me implies they have not eaten of it. There is no specific mention that they are immortal beforehand, and there is no stating in their punishments that dying a natural death is also a punishment. I understand that I am reading a translation, if you can prove in the original language that the words have different meanings, I'll gladly back down. Otherwise, words have meanings and the ones here are pretty clear. Besides, it someone says to me, "Eat this and you'll die" it's pretty obvious that it means "Immediately following the action".

Also, as far as Scented Nectar's point, I think you missed the point he was making, Fr0d0. You said so yourself, they were ashamed when they next met God. However, they could feel no shame in the act because they had no access to the knowledge of good and evil until once they had done it, and if I remember correctly, they were actually ashamed they were naked. Scented Nectar's point still stands.

And also you should know that saying many theologians agree with you is not going to sway me. Argument to popularity and all. I still think God lied and I think I have sufficiently shown why, based on the words themselves written in the Bible.

Ultimately, though, you are a Christian so you prefer your way of reading it and as atheist I prefer mine. However, I also understand that in the past this was considered a factual story for the creation of the earth and a reason why humans must be baptised to rid themselves of original sin. It never sat well for me as a true or metaphorical story as a reason for Jesus to exist, which is the whole reason Christianity exists. But hey, I was also raised Catholic, and I know you disagree with them a lot.

In the end, I feel I've made my points and at this point it's best to leave the discussion as it is. We're not getting anywhere fast.