Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 23, 2025, 10:21 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 3 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
About other gods-question for theists
#50
RE: About other gods-question for theists
(July 1, 2014 at 4:11 pm)Lek Wrote: Mathew doesn't say Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the Great. He said that Jesus was born during the reign of Herod. Herod Antipater was named to the throne after the death of Herod the Great in 4 BC and died in 39 AD.
Really? Maybe you mean Herod Antipas because it looks like Antipater didn't make it past 4 BC to me. Archelaus became Herod the Great's heir as king. Antipas became a Tetrarch over some of Herod's kingdom. Pardon the pun but there is a great difference between a Tetrarch and a King.

Quote:Antipater II (c. 46 – 4 BC) was Herod the Great's first-born son, his only child by his first wife Doris. He was named after his paternal grandfather Antipater the Idumaean. He and his mother were exiled after Herod divorced her between 43 BC and 40 BC to marry Mariamne I. However, he was recalled following Mariamne's fall in 29 BC and in 13 BC Herod made him his first heir in his will. He retained this position even when Alexandros and Aristobulos (Herod's sons by Mariamne) rose in the royal succession in 12 BC, and even became exclusive successor to the throne after their execution in 7 BC (with Herod Philip I in second place).

However, in 5 BC Antipater was brought before Publius Quinctilius Varus, then Roman governor of Syria, charged with the intended murder of his father Herod. Antipater was found guilty by Varus; however, due to Antipater's high rank, it was necessary for Caesar Augustus to approve of the recommended sentence of death. After the guilty verdict, Antipater's position as exclusive successor was removed and granted to Herod Antipas. Once the sentence had approval from Augustus in 4 BC, Antipater was then executed, and Archelaus (from the marriage with Malthace) was made heir in his father's will as king over Herod's entire kingdom (with Antipas and Philip as Tetrarchs over certain territories).
Wikipedia on Antipater Son of Herod the Great See also Online Encyclopedia Britanica.

{added a couple hours later}--- Now that I think of it, you should know if you are going to argue that is was not Herod the Great at the time of Jesus' birth that you will have a hard time squaring that with Mathew's account of the fight to Egypt:

Quote: So he [Joseph] got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”
Mathew 2:14-15 It is Herod the Great that died shortly not Antipas.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
About other gods-question for theists - by vodkafan - June 20, 2014 at 7:32 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by vodkafan - June 20, 2014 at 10:50 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - June 23, 2014 at 9:20 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - June 23, 2014 at 9:38 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - June 23, 2014 at 11:12 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - June 23, 2014 at 11:22 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - June 24, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - June 24, 2014 at 7:41 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by JuliaL - June 23, 2014 at 8:58 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Zidneya - June 21, 2014 at 1:27 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Zidneya - June 22, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Zidneya - June 23, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Zidneya - July 3, 2014 at 11:28 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - June 23, 2014 at 11:10 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - June 27, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Grandizer - June 27, 2014 at 12:06 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Minimalist - June 23, 2014 at 11:23 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Elskidor - June 27, 2014 at 12:20 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - June 27, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 12:33 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Dystopia - June 30, 2014 at 11:55 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 3, 2014 at 11:34 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 1, 2014 at 4:11 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 1, 2014 at 10:16 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 4, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by eyemixer - July 4, 2014 at 11:56 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 4, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 4, 2014 at 2:03 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 5, 2014 at 3:48 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 5, 2014 at 5:21 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 5, 2014 at 6:26 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 5, 2014 at 7:23 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 5, 2014 at 7:55 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 5, 2014 at 8:03 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 4, 2014 at 12:01 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 4, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Silver - July 4, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 4, 2014 at 1:04 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 4, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 4, 2014 at 4:05 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 4, 2014 at 4:37 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 5, 2014 at 1:44 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 5, 2014 at 11:23 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 5, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 5, 2014 at 9:13 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 5, 2014 at 11:20 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 6, 2014 at 1:57 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 6, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 5, 2014 at 11:42 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Lek - July 5, 2014 at 11:49 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 7, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 7, 2014 at 11:43 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by Jenny A - July 8, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by ShaMan - July 8, 2014 at 2:50 pm
RE: About other gods-question for theists - by ignoramus - July 10, 2014 at 10:55 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will ShinyCrystals 268 36021 June 23, 2025 at 10:23 pm
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Serious question about thoughts on theists Kingpin 118 15559 May 18, 2023 at 2:44 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  What is a theist other then the basic definition? Quill01 4 1246 August 1, 2022 at 11:16 am
Last Post: onlinebiker
  forbidding people to love each other Fake Messiah 210 37597 September 16, 2021 at 1:23 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Flat Earther, and other conspiracy theories. Are they mostly atheists? Ferrocyanide 95 14432 April 26, 2021 at 3:56 am
Last Post: Tomatoshadow2
  "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" ignoramus 121 28948 March 5, 2021 at 6:42 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Big gods came after the rise of civilizations Silver 24 4006 April 9, 2020 at 11:49 am
Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
  10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence Otangelo 84 16409 January 14, 2020 at 5:59 pm
Last Post: Abaddon_ire
  Always Proof Your Yeast! Fuck Proof of Gods! chimp3 12 2908 September 9, 2018 at 3:46 pm
Last Post: Ravenshire
  Question to theists purplepurpose 172 38547 June 21, 2018 at 4:18 am
Last Post: purplepurpose



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)