(July 5, 2014 at 5:54 am)Purplundy Wrote:(July 5, 2014 at 2:45 am)Welsh cake Wrote: Enoch and Elijah both ascended into Heaven without even dying.If they weren't dead, why would they be in heaven?
Here's a challenge for you.
Prove that it is written in the Bible that anyone went to heaven, ever, in the Old Testament.
Quote:Your god of moneyI have a god of money? Cool. Do I get quarters when I offer him bread crumbs?
Quote:demonstrates he's more than capable of screwing death and sin, bridging the infinite gap between mortal and immortal, but he doesn'tAccording to you, he demonstrated it, but he didn't do it. Either you don't know what a demonstration is, or God has power over the English language.
Quote:because his character is an almighty ass.An alliteration? Witty. Now stop screaming at the keyboard and use your words.
(July 5, 2014 at 3:41 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Jesus didn't consider everyone his neighbor. He specifically told his disciples to stay away from Samaritans and Gentiles.This argument would go by SO much quicker if you just supported your claims with evidence.
Not only did Jesus tell the parable of the Good Samaritan, he preached to a Samaritan and healed Gentiles on several occasions.
(July 5, 2014 at 4:46 am)Bibliofagus Wrote: The motherfucker apparently thought speaking out against Samaritans and Gentiles was more much important.proof
Quote:Yeah. Because saying 'Hey guys, you know slavery? The thing that is okay according to the law you think my heavenly father sent me, is NOT okay!!'"…also, don't rape women, molest children, fly planes into towers, use nukes, kill people with swords, kill people with spears, strangle Jews, strangle Samaritans…"
Quote:Furthermore: Your jesus said the exact opposite. Not one tittel or jota blabla."28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”
I call it, 'proof'. I even gave it context. Your turn.
(July 5, 2014 at 1:33 am)Purplundy Wrote: If treating people like property is in compliance with Jesus' message, then yes, Jesus Christ condoned the slave trade.Quote:It is. And I think it's disgusting.My next request from you is 'a logical argument'. If Jesus said that we should treat other people like we would treat ourselves (verified fact), all I need is for you to explain how someone following this rule would buy and sell human beings.
Once you get back, we can talk about Jesus' "sacrifice".
Sorry people...I think we need to take a step back and recognize that you are talking about a BOOK. The main chasm here isn't in the minutiae of the words its in the way one feels about the entire content. If one TRULY (and I mean straight-up individual intellectual honesty here) believes that this book is the "the way it happened" then the discussion can begin. If one person thinks that this book is just a bunch of bullshit then its an argument ad infinitum. I agree that the bible is full of egregious crap but it has been interpreted and reinterpreted so many times that it's almost impossible to pull out the nucleus of meaning. Even if meaning could be extracted from two thousand year-old verbage (which most definitely was bantered around as an oral tradition for decades prior to recording) then THAT would ALSO be up for interpretation. What is YOUR core belief? Forget the comic book.