RE: Definition of Atheism
July 5, 2014 at 11:37 am
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2014 at 11:51 am by Mister Agenda.)
(July 4, 2014 at 4:06 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: When did I say I can't accept any error on this topic?
I'm easily refuted by an example of you actually acknowledging anyone has made a good point against any part of your argument. Someone who knows they can't accept errors would actually have enough self awareness to accept their fallibility. Your argument consists of: the only usage of a word that should be used is what the majority thinks it is, the majority is on my side, dictionaries are irrelevant in discussing the meanings of words, disbelief means what I say it does (not what the dictionary says it does), and minorities should have no say in how they're defined or what labels apply to them.
Just summarizing your arguments shows you've supported your position terribly. Even if you're right, those are terrible arguments.
(July 4, 2014 at 4:06 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Whenever I disagree with you guys, I invariably get told - and have been told by you in this post - that I'm telling people hat they think.
I'm sure you'll go on thinking that has nothing to do with your approach.
(July 4, 2014 at 4:06 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: And ironically and hypocritically, by the very same people who are telling those who only label themselves agnostic what THEY think.
Some atheists do that. If that was the topic of this thread, I would be on the side of the agnostics. If you don't believe it, check my post history. I can't speak to whether other people disagreeing with you are being inconsistent. I'll just note that as usual, you have not supported that the same people arguing with you about this are the same people who would argue otherwise concerning agnostics. My position is that agnostics come in theist and atheist flavors, and I am an agnostic atheist.
(July 4, 2014 at 4:06 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Further, I've given reasons why I think my position is more rational, but your responses are silly redefining of the idelogical spectrum to suit other terms you've redefined, such that you can claim something like "atheism is the starting position!!!11".
Exposure to this more inclusive definition of atheism in the mid-nineties was key to my realization that I am an atheist. Had I remained only aware of the definition I got from my pastor, I would never have accepted the label 'atheist'. There has never been a point in the nineteen years I've identified as an atheist where I've redefined the meaning of it, which I got from the book Atheism:The Case Against God (by American philosopher George Smith, 1974). It's not for the sake of argument. It's my actual position. If you were calling us vile names, it would be much less insulting.
(July 5, 2014 at 9:03 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: My brand of atheism: I lack any faith, and I live my life without any god(s) because none have any evidence.
According to MFM, that's not atheism.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.