RE: Great bible teachings!
May 14, 2010 at 2:14 pm
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2010 at 2:26 pm by John_S3V.)
(May 14, 2010 at 12:21 pm)tackattack Wrote: John, no we can't prove that. In fact you could burn every holy book ever made and every written account of any God and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to God, or me for that matter. I think it's a usefull tool in the history of understanding more about God. True understanding comes from experience though, regardless of the subject. In the case of religion; without it at least people would have no one to blame but each other.
How can you seperate god from the bible? As soon as you start saying that the bible may be wrong about some things you have to admit that based on the lack of evidence to support pretty well anything in the bible that it could very well be wrong about everything. You can't say in one sentence that, "you could burn every holy book ever made and every written account of any God and it wouldn't make a bit of difference to God" and then say you "think it's a usefull tool in the history of understanding more about God." Why not? Because the god you worship is the god in the bible. Without the bible you would not believe in YHWH. I can imagine you believing in 'a god'. I'm sure you'd acredit him with creating everything, being loving and looking out for you, but you certainly wouldn't acredit to him even half the stuff that goes on in the bible.
If you tell me that you believe in god or a god, but not the christian god, I'm totally kewl with that, I mean, who's going to prove you wrong? They can't. But, you start telling me about YHWH from the Holy Bible and it's like, wait a minute, now that I have an issue with because the god from the holy bible is a dipshit and his book is full of contradictions and genocide.
Yes, experience is understanding. It's a common, well known thing called 'Wisdom'. It doesn't require belief in gods or sacred books. In some cases, wisdom is a very personal thing and varies greatly from person to person.
Quote:As far as not knowing about a God without religion .. the Bible covers that too...
The problem with that is that people do a lot of things instinctly and I don't see how instinct or mental programming proves god. Yes, many people do unto others as they would want done to them, but that's called 'Empathy'. There's nothing spiritual about empathy. It appears that humans didn't have a whole lot of empathy a few thousand years ago. But, for the sake of sustaining the speices, empathy started to flourish.
What humans like to poetically call, 'following their heart', is actually a matter of following their brains and genetic makeup. If you construct some one without empathy you have a psychopath. A psychopath doesn't have remorse for doing bad things. Poetically speaking, his heart tells him to kill people and he likes that. Some people are born perfectly normal, but their enviroment conditions them to become sociopaths in which case they've learned to become apathic for the sake of survival, because pity and empathy are weaknesses in an enviorment full of people without it who're trying to exploit you at every turn.
It's not like I'm making up hypothetical stuff. This people are real. Rapists usually enjoy raping, serial killers often enjoy killing and kleptomaniacs enjoy stealing. Who am I to tell these people that they're on the path to moral decay when they've either been conditioned or born with unorthodox desires? I don't even understand how these people could exist if the biblical god was real. Course, I'm not saying we shouldn't lock these people up. They're infringing on people's happiness and the majority of people don't want killers and rapists running around. Regardless, as far as I'm concerned these people are proof that there's no such thing as 'inner morality' or a 'core knowledge of right and wrong'. These people have a completely different take on ethics all together.
Come my brethren and feast upon one another! (S)He who triumps and has eaten us all will be blessed with the knowledge of all those with whom (s)he has consumed!
