God: The Great Tempter

[Rhondazvous]

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

And lead us not into temptation

Why does Jesus tell us to pray for god not to do something he doesn’t do anyway?

Christian apology for this part of the so-called Lord’s Prayer appears to be a reference to James, a fiat insistence that god does not tempt people. And a redefinition/dismissal of the word “lead.”

Somehow or nother, Christians have convinced themselves that there is a difference between tempting someone and leading them into temptation. One apologist even went so far as to say that what the verse is really saying is to ask god to lead us away from temptation. This reinterpretation of the word “into” to really mean “away from” is classic Christian obfuscation in defense of the indefensible.

Christians want to have it both ways. They want their god to be in control of everything, but they don’t want to make him responsible for anything. Wherever the bible shows god doing something reprehensible, the Church places the blame on humans, even for things over which we have no control.
Doesn’t asking god not to do something imply that we have control over what he does? And if we have no control over this immutable god, why ask?

Christians can only throw away their brains and insist that we just obey.

[robvalue]

"I'm going to give you a carefully reasoned argument which explains why you should abandon all reason."

[Edwardo Piet]

DON'T BE SMART IT'S DUMB TO BE SMART.

I PROMISE YOU WILL HAVE A COOKIE IF YOU STOP BEING SMART

After you die you can haz cookie.

[robvalue]

Here's a little video about the kind of temptations Jesus faced from god in a Satan mask Satan:

http://youtu.be/Mj2NXYEAEFY

[Lek]

I always thought it meant to lead us away from temptation. Remember we're translating Greek and they didn't always put things exactly as we do in English.

[Chad32]

Leading someone into temptation. Sure, he puts the tree where you can reach it. he just doesn't put it in your hands. Of course he'll kill you for stepping out of line, and his followers will do their best to convince you it's only your fault.

[Lek]

Leading someone into temptation. Sure, he puts the tree where you can reach it. he just doesn't put it in your hands. Of course he'll kill you for stepping out of line, and his followers will do their best to convince you it's only your fault.

Actually, that's not true. He doesn't kill us for stepping out of line. He leads us to his son, who has paid the penalty for us stepping out of line.

[Rhondazvous]

I always thought it meant to lead us away from temptation.  Remember we're translating Greek and they didn't always put things exactly as we do in English.

Brilliant. I guess I can see how a word that means "away from" can be mistranslated as "into." Thanks.

[Chad32]

Leading someone into temptation. Sure, he puts the tree where you can reach it. he just doesn't put it in your hands. Of course he'll kill you for stepping out of line, and his followers will do their best to convince you it's only your fault.

Actually, that's not true.  He doesn't kill us for stepping out of line.  He leads us to his son, who has paid the penalty for us stepping out of line.

And that's supposed to be better? Either way his idea of a solution to a problem is something dying.

[Lek]

Actually, that's not true.  He doesn't kill us for stepping out of line.  He leads us to his son, who has paid the penalty for us stepping out of line.

And that's supposed to be better? Either way his idea of a solution to a problem is something dying.

I think it's good that Jesus died to take care of it.