RE: The You Can't Make This Shit Up Department
July 8, 2014 at 9:31 pm
(This post was last modified: July 8, 2014 at 9:38 pm by Dystopia.)
(July 8, 2014 at 9:09 pm)Jenny A Wrote:(July 8, 2014 at 8:48 pm)Blackout Wrote: [But some ideologies are a cause of danger as you said it. I guess it is hard for americans to understand some restrictions of freedom too, but this is how I see things. Sometimes too much freedom can be bad for you. And by making a reasonable interpretation of that article and conjugating it with other articles regarding let's say democracy and other important traits like freedom we could conclude some restrictions are allowed to preserve the common good. Nazism threats freedom and democracy (because duh it's fascism) and is based on racism, if racism is a crime you shouldn't be allowed to propagate ideologies based on race superiority or any other ideology based on explicit unfounded discrimination, this is how it works. I guess america doesn't have the need to such regulations because they never had fascism (real fascism not oligarchies) in their country.
I understand, especially considering your country's history. But we are a nation founded to a certain extent on mistrusting governmental power. The Constitution is largely about limiting both the power of the government and how much power can be held by any one branch of government. One of the things we mistrust the government to decide is what kind of political speech is dangerous.
When we've had regulation of speech by the government, such as during the McCarty communist scare, the results have been some of our ugliest moments.
The thing is controlling fascism IS controlling the government and limiting it. Why? Because fascism advocates a regime of 'all for the nation, none against the nation', your interests are submitted to the nation's interest and you lose your rights, the government controls everything from schools to the media and they control who works and how much you produce... Basically in fascism there is a lot of government control and planning, therefore preventing fascism is preventing government planning, it's precisely because we don't trust governments that once appeared nice that we limited fascism, if fascism reached power the same story would repeat again.
I'm curious to ask something, is your two party system based solely on two parties, or are there actually other minor parties that no one votes in? Your system seems similar to the british bipartidary system, I enjoyed studying the american system in constitutional law classes and political science.
(July 8, 2014 at 9:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Still wanting to know why is this even legal,
What country are you in?
Here, we have this:
Quote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Again read my interpretation of your amendment. Don't forget that there are laws and articles but they are interpreted considering the whole context... Just because there is free speech it doesn't mean it can't get restricted if threatens a common good, national security, promotes going against constitutional values or human rights... Using your amendment to advocate fascist propaganda is just as valid as me using my 'Everybody shall have shelter' article to demand a house from the government despite refusing to work...
But I guess americans see this on a different perspective, if you had a fascist regime you wouldn't take it so lightly. It's always nice to give everyone free speech, but if someone advocates an ideology that is based on something illegal (like racism) then freedom of speech should be restricted.
A wise professor of mine said 'No right is absolute, not even the right to live'. If you use your rights to threaten the safety of others you should be restricted. Of course a small fascist protest won't harm anyone, but what if it starts growing? Fascism always started behind the curtains and everyone always thought 'those guys will never win the elections', Mussolini proved them wrong.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you