RE: The You Can't Make This Shit Up Department
July 9, 2014 at 1:55 pm
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 2:00 pm by Dystopia.)
(July 9, 2014 at 12:31 pm)alpha male Wrote:(July 8, 2014 at 8:48 pm)Blackout Wrote: But some ideologies are a cause of danger as you said it. I guess it is hard for americans to understand some restrictions of freedom too, but this is how I see things. Sometimes too much freedom can be bad for you. And by making a reasonable interpretation of that article and conjugating it with other articles regarding let's say democracy and other important traits like freedom we could conclude some restrictions are allowed to preserve the common good.Key words are "some" and "reasonable." I.e., who gets to decide which ideologies are a cause of danger, and what restrictions are reasonable. There are plenty of people on this very forum that think religion is dangerous, so I don't want them deciding. There are some theists that think atheism is dangerous, so atheists don't want those people deciding. In the end, everyone has biases, so we've decided it's safer for everyone to just allow it all.
In europe's case it was decided to be dangerous because atrocities were committed because of fascism, and fascism can't exist without destroying democracy while religion can exist in a democratic society.
(July 9, 2014 at 12:57 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(July 8, 2014 at 7:58 pm)Blackout Wrote: Are you being serious? This is not idiocy, these ideologies are dangerous and can be propagated easily to volatile fragile influential minds. Why do you think former fascist countries made fascism and nazism illegal and invested so much on 300 articles constitutions with all rights described specifically? To prevent further disasters. Well some opinions are pure stupidity but there's a line between that and posing a danger. The proof of that is the rise of far right in europe, the so called nationalist parties that disguise themselves in cultural identities and nation values to hide their fascist heritage based on hate, racism and xenophobe, just check Marine Le Penn's comment comparing Muslims in france with Hitler's holocaust (it was funny but still highly racist) or her father making the anti-immigration comments advocating the death of all them trough the ebola virus
So we need a Bureau of Correct Opinion (or some other bureacracy to evaluate ideas and divide them into acceptable and unacceptable) to determine what ideologies American are allowed to hold? Do you really think that is the way to go?
I thought we had learned by now that some cures are worse than the disease they're supposed to fight.
I'm not american, but european. Indeed I understand your side, but you are never forbidden to be fascist, you just can't propagate it and create parties, the same goes with racism. I feel safe with this restrictions, and I'm not sure if they'll be enough to prevent fascism but are still a good mechanism...
No one really decided that fascism was dangerous, we just experienced it first hand and other non fascist states witnessed it and were affected or invaded during WWII, so the facts led us to make it illegal, just like fascist associations are illegal.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you