RE: The You Can't Make This Shit Up Department
July 10, 2014 at 11:10 am
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2014 at 11:12 am by Dystopia.)
(July 10, 2014 at 9:33 am)alpha male Wrote:(July 10, 2014 at 9:25 am)Blackout Wrote: And?And as already noted, the danger is that something you do support may someday be deemed equal to hate speech.
Quote:That's the intention in the first place. We consider it equal to hate speeches, racist propaganda and promotion of social segregation... Didn't you see Marine Le Penn in France almost getting sued for hate speech for comparing Muslim immigrants with Hitler's occupation during the holocaust? You can use your free speech all you want but if you offend certain groups of people you can be fired. If I said 'All religious people are dumb and stupid' I could get sued by the church and other religious institutions, not to mention religious people.It's just a short step from that to restricting access to websites such as this, where such things are said. Would you support such restriction? How about for racist or fascist sites?
We had a far right party and it was banned after evidence was presented that they were fascists and members of underground (not so much now) nazi organizations throughout europe... For atheists? No of course not, but how does atheism relate to fascism? Being an atheist doesn't make you go against democracy or fundamental rights, it just makes you lack belief in gods or disbelieve gods. We didn't lose rights because of atheism, we lost them because of fascism.
And this is not a short step since the constitution only forbids fascism associations, not any other kind of associations, so such a ban wouldn't apply to anything else. What happens here is the same in germany, and my bet is that there are probably similar restrictions in spain, italy and former fascist states, and probably france and so on and other formerly invaded countries.
I don't think something I support will be considered equal to hate speech, hate speech is not criticizing something, hate speech is deliberately promoting racism, hate and segregation of people. As far as I know, attempts to implement communism and marxism-lenininsm failed and gave origin to totalitarian regimes, yet communist and marxist-leninist parties are perfectly legal, so I don't think the restrictions go to far.
Jenny A to answer something I forgot to answer previously, here it is illegal to burn flag, not directly but as a crime of offense to national symbols. Of course you can mock and criticize the flag, but conducts that offend considerably national symbols are a crime punishable up to 3 years in prison.
Some people argued our president should be arrested because he accidentally waved the flag upside down

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