(July 10, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Cato Wrote:(July 10, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Blackout Wrote: Yes, and the government says you can't if you threaten public order. So what?
Punish incitement of violence then. It's also perfectly reasonable to require permits for use of public space for certain gatherings and uses, but you can't restrict association and then champion the idea of freedom of association.
Incitement of violence is a crime.
I will repeat it, absolute individual rights do not exist, except maybe for the right to live, and even that one can be dis-considered in cases of self defense. Most rights can be restricted if there is a conflict of rights with another right. You have freedom of speech, you don't have the freedom to insult others, you have freedom of religion, you don't have the right to impose your religion, you have freedom of association, you don't have the right to form associations against public order, you have the right to a home, you don't have the right to demand a free home from the state, you have the right to work strike, you don't have the right to do it randomly because it can endanger essential services functioning. With rights come duties, you have to respect others rights to fulfill your own. I guess in america individual liberties prevail, while here public order and security is above individual liberties. There are divergences, for instance europeans don't understand why americans have the 'right to bear arms', I don't know any country with such a right here in europe.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you