RE: The You Can't Make This Shit Up Department
July 11, 2014 at 7:52 am
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2014 at 7:54 am by Dystopia.)
(July 11, 2014 at 7:10 am)alpha male Wrote:(July 10, 2014 at 4:43 pm)Blackout Wrote: Of course a revolution is not illegal if you substitute the constitution for a new one, that's how it worksThe part I don't understand is that you continue to claim you have free speech. You don't. If you're OK with that, that's your business, but don't pretend you have it. Saying that you have free speech except to espouse racism or fascism or to insult other people is contradictory. Of course you have freedom to say nice, conforming things. It's the insulting or opposing views which free speech measures are intended to protect. Without such protection, you don't have it.
The perspective is too different for comparison so there is no point in arguing further (Like I showed you in the MP I sent), let's just be happy both the US and europe are more or less free and our measures have been working for us, at least germany is doing pretty good after WWII. But the 'insult' part is really something I can't understand, if someone calls me a cunt on TV or in private I have the right to sue him/her, it's a crime.
You are putting the problem in black or white - Either we can say anything or we can't say anything... That's not how it works, we are allowed to say and criticize anything, we are not allowed to insult or offend people on purpose, discriminate or promote hate and violence towards groups of people. If someone said I'm a cunt, I'd want to sue him for offending my honor and physical integrity and that's how it should be.
And europe by banning this behavior we are actually more free, because we ban people from promoting taking away others rights, therefore the probability of people losing their rights is less considerable. Good luck with your freedom of speech of people promoting taking away women's rights, gay rights and other groups rights, here we don't deal with that problem, see?
If you don't like, don't come live here, it's simple

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