After Cleopatra's death, her brother took power and blatantly attempted to remove her from history. Yet there is still more evidence that Cleopatra existed than Jesus. The very fact that one can make a credible argument against his existence is compelling enough. The two chief historical non-christian historians who speak of Jesus do so only briefly and they are both suspect. For instance Tacitus in his dribble about the lawd calls Pontius Pilate a procurator, when he was in fact a prefect. Josephus on the other hand mentions him twice, once when speak of James, and again talking about jesus being the messiah. Josephus was an orthodox jew, who did not believe that jesus was the messiah, so why would he go into great detail depicting him as such?
What people fail to realize is that both of these men lived after jesus had supposedly died, and both documents weren't the originals, and were copied by christians at a later date. As far as the bible is concerned, the earliest gospel pertaining to jesus was written some 40 years after his death, and the latest around 70, it's like writing a biography on Teddy Roosevelt today. Anyone who knew him is long dead, and the only thing you will have to go on is second and third hand recollections.
In any event, sacrifice isn't a sacrifice if what is lost can be re-attained immediately. If I push someone from in front of a bus causing the bus to hit me and I die, i'm a hero, but if i'm really superman and the bus doesn't hurt me, i'm just a nice guy.
What people fail to realize is that both of these men lived after jesus had supposedly died, and both documents weren't the originals, and were copied by christians at a later date. As far as the bible is concerned, the earliest gospel pertaining to jesus was written some 40 years after his death, and the latest around 70, it's like writing a biography on Teddy Roosevelt today. Anyone who knew him is long dead, and the only thing you will have to go on is second and third hand recollections.
In any event, sacrifice isn't a sacrifice if what is lost can be re-attained immediately. If I push someone from in front of a bus causing the bus to hit me and I die, i'm a hero, but if i'm really superman and the bus doesn't hurt me, i'm just a nice guy.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
