Spare the rod, spoil the child

[Thumpalumpacus]

There wasn't a point to respond to.

There was. Your denying it doesn't remove it.

I'm having civil discussion, if you are offended by my calling you stupid. Too bad. I'm offended by the fact that you think it's okay to hurt your own children. Nuanced thought? That's a laugh coming from someone so stupid.

I'm not offended by anything you say; you seem to have missed this point too, which is that I don't really care what you think of me. However, the fact that you think hurling invective is civil says much more about you than it does about me, or anyone else you insult.

Admittedly my own analogy wasn't exactly relevant, I've since updated to make the point more so.

Is it worth my while to scroll back, or is it more angry insult? I won't waste the effort on the latter.

Still, you haven't responded to any of my points with anything but deflection. Quit whining about being called stupid and comprehend what I've said. Your scenario is not the same as using discipline. Respond to that or fuck off.

Firstly, I'm not "whining"; I'm pointing out your willingness to resort immediately to ad hom. That is a fact that should be noted. I don't care what opinion you hold of me.

The portion I've emphasized above is exactly why I wrote "So close, yet so far away" -- because my underlying point in all my posting in this thread has been that spanking, discipline, and abuse are different behaviors, and that many people equate any physical rebuke as "spanking" or "abuse" and thereby decry them all in the same breath.

You seem to get that, but I really dislike the way you come across and won't waste my time or yours any more on a conversation with such a bitter undertone, from your side, at least. I prefer agreeable disagreement, and you apparently don't.

It's all good. Hope your day gets better, bud.

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To be fair, I can understand that the urgency of the situation requires force. But this is a situation that has nothing to do with discipline. Which is what this thread is concerning.

I mean, I'm not saying I think it's wrong. It just doesn't make sense to me in that circumstance. When my daughter was 3 almost 4, she looked right at an oncoming car the looked at me and stepped into to the street. I jerked her out of the street by her hair. I felt awful, but it was the only thing I could reach there was no other option and it wasn't about discipline. The discipline was obvious to me, you can't be trusted to be safe so now you don't get to play outside.

Indeed. In the instance I mentioned, the discipline was that he was not allowed in the kitchen until he showed me he could behave responsibly there.