A discussion around family table.

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To save time I'll bold what's relevant and comment in red and hide the stuff people probably don't care to read.

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Good is of course relative, but I think all of it's good for a read, I've read worse. Do I need to quote all the exploits of Jesus/ disciples doing good deeds, healing, helping, filling the needs of the outcast and needy?

Sure, if these good acts cancel out the bad ones. They say Hitler treated dogs well, you know. Does that make everything else he did ok?Please list Jesus' bad deeds since you at least admit he had some good deeds and I'll respond, but only if you're genuinely intersted in hearing the response.

The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence Ex. 23:7

It actually says "Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked." Where do you see anything about circumstantial evidence? Maybe you should stop listening to the preacher man and read the thing yourself. So far, that quote fully upholds killing people for bible 'crimes'.Is it really Gymanstics to say that you shouldn't kill the innocent? innocent in a court of law requires solid evidence

The court must not punish anybody who was forced to do a crime Deut. 22:26

It says nothing of the sort. It says "But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:" They are referring to not punishing a woman for being a rape victim only if she is betrothed. If she is not, then she is still murdered by the godlovers. (YLT)25 “But if the man meets the engaged woman out in the country, and he rapes her, then only the man must die. 26 Do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no crime worthy of death. She is as innocent as a murder victim. 27 Since the man raped her out in the country, it must be assumed that she screamed, but there was no one to rescue her." That's all that is said, she shall not be put to death.. innocent as a murder victim.

Judge righteously Lev. 19:15

That completely upholds the immoral laws, since they are considered righteous and god-commanded. "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."(YLT)15 “Do not twist justice in legal matters by favoring the poor or being partial to the rich and powerful. Always judge people fairly." No it doesn't it's talking about favoritism

The court must not execute through a majority of one; at least a majority of two is required Ex. 23:2

It actually says "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment", the last part sounding like an order to not speak out against what the multitude have judged.(YLT)2 “You must not follow the crowd in doing wrong. When you are called to testify in a dispute, do not be swayed by the crowd to twist justice." Are we going by what it sounds like or what it says?

Lend to the poor and destitute Ex. 22:24

That one actually says "And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless." Wow! Nice example of goodness. What lesson do we learn from this? Will the wrathfully killed person become meat lent to the poor as charity? WTF?mis quote it should have been verse 25.. my bad (YLT)25`If thou dost lend My poor people with thee money, thou art not to him as a usurer; thou dost not lay on him usury; "

Not to press them for payment if you know they don't have it Ex. 22:24

That is the same verse as above. Should I infer that after feeding the dead body to the poor, to tell them not to bother about paying you back someday?Should be vs. 26-27 "26 If you take your neighbor’s cloak as security for a loan, you must return it before sunset. 27 This coat may be the only blanket your neighbor has. How can a person sleep without it? If you do not return it and your neighbor cries out to me for help, then I will hear, for I am merciful."

Not to insult or harm anybody with words Lev. 25:17

Good thing it does not actually say that, since that would destroy all free speech, but let's see what it really says. "Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:for I am the LORD your God." Nothing indicating what would be oppressive, so it must be concluded that they mean anything against the god commands. The second part is a command to have an emotion, fear. Do you often love people you fear? I don't, but then again, I've never had Stockholm's Syndrome.There is part of that verse with some arbitrary fear thrown in, but you're implying that only opression of God's commands when we all feel obression is bad

Not to cheat a convert monetarily Ex. 22:20

Good thing it doesn't say that, since that would make it ok to cheat non-converts. So, what does it actually say? "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed." Wow, again! It's even worse than cheating those who are of a different religion, the real quote says to destroy them.Should be Deteronomy 25:16 (NLT) "16 All who cheat with dishonest weights and measures are detestable to the Lord your God." ALthough I agree the exodus verse is about destruction of people with differing beliefs

Not to insult or harm a convert with words Ex. 22:20

More suppression of free speech (if it's critical of converts), or it would be if that were what it actually says. It says the same as the above one.miss paste again sorry- Leviticus 19:16 (YLT) "16`Thou dost not go slandering among thy people; thou dost not stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I [am] Jehovah. "


So, what's going on here? Are you a poe? Have I been fooled by my very first poe encounter? I feel honoured.

As you can see it does actually say the word homosexual..

The english translations from KJV on do until you get to the more very recent translation which try and get back to the original meaning.

Searching the KJV on the word homosexual turned up nothing. It does not appear there. That was supposed to read the NIV not KJV sorry. You're still denying it says the word... stop arguing the semantics. The Bible didn't originally say homosexual, it got put into the Bible and was popular for a long time. Now people are getting back to the meaning of the words and other version are becoming more popular, especially among Biblical hermeneutics.

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The consciousness though should be accountable for it's choices.

That's pretty sick that you would accept blame for stuff beyond the natural consequences of what happens during your life. There is no bad natural consequence for not feeling the love emotion about someone, yet your jealous egotistical god punishes people for not loving him.

I'm not following your rant. Could you please define "stuff beyond the natural consequences of what happens during your life" So I have some reference as to what you're talking about.

If you don't love god while alive, the worst natural consequence is nothing at all. However the religion-caused consequence that results from not having a god belief is ostracisation and possible execution depending on where you live. OK I follow now and agree so far.That's while alive. If your god were real, then on top of that would be the eternal punishment. You haven't explained why your god doesn't just let the people he doesn't want in heaven just die. Why does he make them suffer? Oh yeah, he admits that he is wrathful and jealous and all kinds of nice personality traits like that. You are a devil worshipper. I've never really conversed with one before, so this is interesting. Can you prove to me that your devildeity exists? You see, I don't believe in devils either.

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