RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
July 24, 2014 at 1:47 am
(This post was last modified: July 24, 2014 at 1:50 am by snowtracks.)
(July 23, 2014 at 3:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote:references:(July 23, 2014 at 1:05 am)snowtracks Wrote: since there is little or no physical evidence for global flood, there would be even less for a localized flood (but still comparatively enormous to other alluvial floods. although massive it only lasted a mere year. a major flood of such a brief duration typically doesn't leave substantial deposits to be positively identified approx. 40 th's. years ago.
Then what is the justification for believing it to be a real, physical event?
Actually, I just want to clarify: I actually 'misspoke' when I mentioned physical evidence. What I should have said is can you provide demonstrable evidence; which can of course be physical if there is any.
(July 23, 2014 at 1:05 am)snowtracks Wrote: But from a geographically perspective other indicators for noah's flood's timing, location and extent go exist. evidence of a thriving civilization developed in the middle east gulf area. from a geographical perspective the region makes sense as the region were the flood occurred --- high mountains surround it, huge aquifers reside under it. ice covered north America, Europe, etc making the global sea lower leaving much of the Persian gulf and red sea dry.
there are some scientific provocative data that makes the case using genetic data that traces the migration pattern around the world, the beginning of that migration has a nexus in that region at that time.
Dare one ask for a citation or two? See, this is what I meant about demonstrable evidence - simply stating it isn't good enough, unless others can assess it independently.
communities - "Veiled beneath the Persian Gulf, a once-fertile landmass may have supported some of the earliest humans outside Africa some 75,000 to 100,000 years ago..."
flood water sources - "And it would have been an ideal refuge from the harsh deserts surrounding it, with fresh water supplied by the Tigris, Euphrates, Karun and Wadi Baton Rivers, as well as by upwelling springs, Rose said. And during the last ice age when conditions were at their driest, this basin would've been at its largest".
http://www.livescience.com/10340-lost-ci...-gulf.html
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aquifers - "In addition to surface runoff, freshwater within the purported oasis was also supplied by upwelling springs, which are subterranean rivers linked to the Rub’ AlKhali and Zagros aquifer systems. Even today, these springs deliver freshwater to the Gulf through fissures in the porous bedrock of the basin."
http://www.academia.edu/386944/New_Light...Gulf_Oasis
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genesis 2 mentions “springs of the great deep”, and 4 rivers converging. all four rivers flow into different parts of the persian gulf meeting together in what rose identifies as the gulf oasis. this appears to be the location of the localized noah's flood; and where the garden of eden is now submerged in the gulf.
so the sources of the water could be torrential rain, the deep springs, indian ocean rushing thru the strait, sudden snow melt of surrounding mts.
(July 23, 2014 at 1:19 am)Jenny A Wrote: Um ??????????????????????? Did you suddenly lose the ability to capitalize, punctuate and use grammar?gee, didn't know we were writing the constitution, or the magna carta. you probably got a 'E' in k5 by shading perfectly within the lines, and today even use a spell checker.
(July 23, 2014 at 1:05 am)snowtracks Wrote: since there is little or no physical evidence for global flood, there would be even less for a localized flood (but still comparatively enormous to other alluvial floods. although massive it only lasted a mere year. a major flood of such a brief duration typically doesn't leave substantial deposits to be positively identified approx. 40 th's. years ago.
But from a geographically perspective other indicators for noah's flood's timing, location and extent go exist. evidence of a thriving civilization developed in the middle east gulf area. from a geographical perspective the region makes sense as the region were the flood occurred --- high mountains surround it, huge aquifers reside under it. ice covered north America, Europe, etc making the global sea lower leaving much of the Persian gulf and red sea dry.
there are some scientific provocative data that makes the case using genetic data that traces the migration pattern around the world, the beginning of that migration has a nexus in that region at that time.
Sorry, I've recently been accused of being overly polite, but WTF? I can't even figure out what you mean. What you have here is a bad case of word salad. But from what little I can glean from the incoherence I can say:
1) There is no evidence that life spread out from the Middle East, provocative or otherwise.
2) There is evidence that human life spread out of Africa and not the Middle East.
Everything else is incoherent. Come back sober and try again.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.