Frank Discussion on Hate

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I won't add to the tangent about hated foods, but I will explore it as relevant. Obviously no one fears broccoli or grean beans, barring psychological problems (nightmares, aversions). Fear then isn't the root for hate. However, if you ate broccolli and you resent the affect it had on your tastebuds/ stomach that could develop into hate. The value of that hate isn't surprising because it's a direct violation of your person. Subconsciously the body protects the necessities like food, water, sleep thus creating a very stong value of emotional response. I don't think you could actually hate some imaginary fruit called fruopopto, if someone just told you how bad it is. You'd have an aversion or prejudice perhaps, but that wouldn't even be close to the relation of hate. I still see resentment as the basest cause we've discussed so far.

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The word 'hate' has many connotations, that's part of the problem this discussion has going in. I hate mushrooms, for example. I don't simply dislike them. I fucking hate them. That kind of hate harms no one, so it's really a non-issue.

I feel the same way about green beans. Mushrooms, though, are one of my favorite foods.

I would say that you hate the person who killedyour mother (continuing your analogy) because of your resentment of that person for what they've taken from your reality. They truly did nothing to you directly for you to hate, they didn't rape you or punch you, most of theese hates are indirect or based off of prejudiced. They're the ones based off of resentment and envy.

I think killing my mother is a bit more direct than you make it out to be. :/

What would it take for you to not harbor that resentment thus ridding you of the hate?

Depends on the offense. Killing my mother I think is a transgression that is almost impossible to get over. Stealing my cash is different. Recovering that cash and apologizing could do the trick. (Though trust would be lost)

Can a Robot hate?

I don't know. I'm not a robot.

But as near as I can tell, feelings result from biological occurrences within our brain. Of course that's an over simplification,I would not devalue feelings based on that, but if it's required to have feelings...then...but who knows what the science can do in decades or centuries.

If there was a drug that temporarily disabled your emotional ability what would happen after it wore off?? Would you still hate your rapist?

Well, since it's temporary and my emotions come back, I think I would still hate my rapist.

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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree Eil. Direct is by definition to your person, indirect is everything else.
"without intervening persons, influences, factors, etc.; immediate; personal: direct contact with the voters; direct exposure to a disease. "

Actually this explains the naturally strong bond between parents and their offspring. I would say it's general practice for the parent (especially mother) to objectify the child due to it's being created inside them and a product of them. For good parents this leads to very stong instictual protective impulses, I would say a lot more than the child to the parent relationship. In the case of the crackhead who sells her kid for drugs or the teen who puts it in the dumpster I'd like to hypothesise. Disclaimer, I'm not a woman and usually don't speak about abortions, child endangerment and abuse, this is merely a mental excercise on "paper" to flesh out an idea. Please don't take any offence.

If the parent can choose to value a direct threat to herself (parents will change my home life or withdrawl symptoms) over the objective value of an offspring, it would flow nicely. They could resent themselves thus lowering the value of anything produced by them as anyvalue. They could resent what direct threat the child poses to their lifestyle, thus creating a hate/depression mix. That seems to flow that resentment is the base for hatred and the value / strengthis based either on direct/indirect values.

Eil you said, "since it's temporary and my emotions come back, I think I would still hate my rapist". What about if you could selectively wipe out the memory of the rape? Can the emotional tag "hate" surive without the focus or memory? Does the focus wan with a less emotional approach? I can't see a robot holding a grudge for instance, ever. I don't think a robot would hate because I think an intrigal part of resentment is a time or prolongment factor. If you only resent something for that 1 instant you experience it, I don't think that can move to hate. IDK, I'm getting tired, thoughts?

Ok what about overcoming hate, which was my intended route for this convo to go. Is forgiveness a choice or a consequence? Does forgetting erase emotionally tagged hated things? How much affect does focusing your attention on the hated object or dwelling on the resenment have on the length and intensity of that emotinal response? Is it possible to forgive and forget?