(May 22, 2010 at 3:59 am)tackattack Wrote: Ok one more attepmt at the absolute thing. I agree perfection is a value and values are based off of observance. While God may seem perfect from our perspective, maybe his God buddy Bob in reality Y thinks he's a jerk. The glimpse of meaning behind a Christian saying "God just is" lies in the absolute objective value of God. Christians see God as 1 object, valued differently from different perspectives since the scope is so unfathomable. That object is, in itself, the creator of our universe. That makes it more complex than the sum of it's parts, while at the same time being a singular entity and valued as the originator an absolute and least somplex. I hope that makes as much sense as it did in my head.
Okay, I think we're getting somewhere here- your latest explanation makes sense to me, more or less.
It seems to me that your position contains a strong streak of anthropocentrism. Why should the creator of the universe be perfect from our perspective? What about the perspective of a Martian, or some other sort of alien, or an AI? What seems perfect to us might seem very imperfect to a radically different intelligence.
I'm also unconvinced that god can simultaneously be a singular entity (similar to a singularity, I guess) and also be complex (perhaps infinitely so). It sounds contradictory.
Quote:OK, I'm all for discussing God's useful as part of an explanation that lies within public discourse. So we're talking about objective explainability of recorded phenomenon? Well, "Best" would be relative still, but I'll say best for me is what makes my life simpler and fits within the confines of ordinary as opposed to extraordinary. Is this understandable and agreeable?
Yeah- 'best' is of course observer relative. However, there is a good deal of agreement on what constitutes a 'good' explanation. Some of the more important criteria are:
- The evidence on which it is based should be public
- It should make testable predictions
- It should be simple, the simpler the better
- It should be consistent with what we already know, although this is obviously not an absolute requirement
He who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
Mikhail Bakunin
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything
Friedrich Nietzsche
Mikhail Bakunin
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything
Friedrich Nietzsche