RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 28, 2014 at 7:20 pm
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2014 at 7:39 pm by Napoléon.)
(July 28, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Human shields are illegal for the reason that they use innocents as an armour against others. While committing violence.
Gazan civilians are human shields by Hamas's own hands. Not Israeli hands. Hamas's hands. They corral and force civilians near legitimate military targets.
Thanks for editing out that needless insult...
As for this, I don't dispute what you're saying.
Quote:Mainly to drum up sympathy from idiots like...
Again, I don't dispute they know what they're doing. Just seems that Israel should have the responsibility to try and not deliberately aim at UN schools. Maybe that isn't possible in Gaza, I don't know.
Quote:Your entire strategy effectively allows free use of human shields without consequence.
What a wonderful world you must live in, where all the men willing to commit murder are nice enough not to involve innocents.
I'd like to live in a world where a power the size of Israel could show a bit more constraint when it comes to killing over a thousand civilians and perhaps do a bit more to not escalate this conflict. It seems to me that they are far too quick to fire back when Hamas launches rockets.
Quote:I keep citing the Geneva Conventions. Conventions agreed upon for war time. You know -- when diplomacy has broken down and states are murdering as many from the opposing side.
Bolded the exact point you seem to obviously miss. The death tolls are disproportionate. The rocket systems that Israel has have reduced their amount of casualties, yes, but to me this doesn't excuse the kind of disproportionate killing being done.
Quote:This is why you have no respect from me in this discussion.
The Pacific Theater was inordinately bloody.
The invasion for forcing a surrender in mainland Japan (so they could not build up and continue waging war) was projected to have incredibly high numbers of casualties and fatalities.
The nuclear strikes clearly illustrated "Surrender or be destroyed".
It worked. Had it not, there wouldn't be a Japan anymore.
Guess who made the decision that living is better than death? The Japanese.
To be honest World War 2 is an entirely different circumstance to this, and it's my bad for bringing it up.
(July 28, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Who is placing those children next to rockets? Hamas.
Tell me, where the fuck are they supposed to go? I'm guessing Israel are sheltering any of these Palestinians that don't want to get bombed? Right?
*Edit*
One more thing, you might want to look at this: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/american-t...stine.html
I'd be interested particularly in how you respond to the Iron Dome not being as effective as you say it is and also the fact that Israel can choose their targets. Also the fact that Gaza is an "open-air prison".