The honest truth of it?

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Bullocks Watson. All that bullshit your spouting is bullocks. You have to believe before you can believe. You can't be an atheist and no one can because God is in everything. You don't understand the concept of God. Blah blah blah blah.

We understand the 'concept' of God just fine. A large percentage of us were dyed in the wool believing christains before we reconized the the 'gold' was just a painted piece of crap. JUST LIKE most of us believed in Santa Claus before growing up. So your contentions are a load of horseshit stating we have to believe it to truely believe it. WE DID BELIEVE IT and it still showed itself to be nothing but another myth in the large pile of myths we call religion.

The honesty is appreciated, yet as honest as you think you are being does not change the fact the existance of a supreme creator personal God is highly unlikely given the evidence for and the far greater lack of evidence.

You can put on your dancing shoes and tap dance around talking of "just believe it and you'll believe it" and how about this God of yours is so unknowable, untestable, outside our understanding, beyond or comprehension, yet you seem to know a fucking lot about him, but that gets us nowhere in any discussion of the existance of your super-ghost daddy.

Allow me to insert a little reminder here;

Most of us have been there, done that and found there was no T-shirt.

It is my personal contention a majority of you deists keep yourselves shackled to your silly superstitions out of fear. Plain ol' "I'm so scared of an eternal torturing I have to believe this bullshit".

I get red-in-the-ears upset when I see parents/grownups telling a little child, who is complaining about the monsters under their bed are gonna get them, 'Just say "I rebuke thee in the name of the Lord"" or "Just pray to God to protect you". Thus re-enforcing the belief that there really are monsters under there! Then those children grow up to be another Watson. All they can say is "I know God is." "I know God is real." They can't give you any logical coherent reasons about why they believe, it's all ancedotal and a 'just know'ing.

Take a guess at why it is that little God/Monsters/Satans/Ghosts/Demons/orwhateverthefuckyouchooseisreal thought is ingrained in your brain. My contention would be your childhood (or childadult, the bible does say you have to have the mind of a child to believe this shit) brainwashing hasn't purged itself by whatever process occured that had it purge itself in the rest of us childhood deists/grown-up atheists.

Paul's post read as if it's all sunshine, butterfies and bluebirds on your shoulder over here in the atheist camp. True is, it is, or can be, a scary place. Dead. Wow, that's it. Nothing after. Absolute. No 'watcher'. No 'Protector'. You will not see that dead child waiting for you in heaven. Scary depressing shtuff Maynard.

So you folks convince yourselves every little stroke of luck or good fortune is God performing miracles. Just for you. God bending the physical observations (laws)of physics and the universe, just for you. It gives justification to yourself to believe that nagging little 'voice' in your head telling you "There really are monsters under there".

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If you go look for yourself, and consistantly see there are no monsters under your bed, you will stop believing in them being there. You will be unable to help it. It will be a natural consequence of that action.


If you do not go look, and choose just to 'pray them away' or ask Gods to protect you or tell your babies Jesus is there to protect them from the evil, you will never stop believing mythology is reality.