(May 24, 2010 at 5:42 pm)Watson Wrote: You say that you are a true atheist, but I simpy do not believe there is such a thing.Please don't go back to redefining words again; I thought you'd gone through that phase...
An atheist is someone who does not believe in Gods. A true atheist is someone who...well...does not believe in Gods (and isn't lying about it).
Quote:For that to be true, one would have to exist outside of the boundaries of God, and that is simply not possible.No. One does not need to have any preconceptions about God to not believe it exists, just as one does not have to have any preconceptions about Granjubupo to not believe it exists. If you are unaware or ignorant on a subject, you don't have any belief in the existence of that subject at all, and so you have a disbelief.
Even if you extend things from "passive" disbelief to the kind of active disbelief that most atheists here have (i.e. we are aware of the God concept and still disbelieve it), your argument doesn't work any better. The only requirement of disbelieving in something is not having a belief in it.
Quote:God is a part of all things, even atheists. So from my POV, you are the self-deluded one. You are denying a very core part of yourself because you cannot understand that part.Even if that were true, it does not mean atheists aren't atheists. Atheists are people who do not believe in God; not people who claim that God does not exist with 100% certainty.
When did denying a core part of something mean you couldn't call yourself a "denier"? Your argument, as the last one on semantics, always results in us getting rid of every single word in the dictionary. There is no such thing as an atheist since atheism is the denial of the self...well, from my perspective, there is no such thing as a Christian, since Christianity is the untrue belief in Jesus. It's your argument, just reversed.
As you see, it's a very arrogant view to take; you make the assumption that you are correct, and then don't consider anyone else's viewpoints on the matter. I don't go around saying Christians can't possibly exist, because by the very definition of Christianity (i.e. people who believe that Jesus is the Son of God...yada yada yada), there are Christians out there!
Quote:But I simply understand too much about how God works to truly believe you are an atheist, nor is anyone.Again, the arrogance knows no bounds.
To be honest, I quite enjoyed your brief love affair with rationality. It's a shame you had to revert so quickly to the ignorant, arrogant, bigoted person who came here originally.
There, I said it. I'm not apologising for it. You deny that I have my beliefs, and I'll rightly call you out on your bigoted nature; to hell with the consequences.
