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Global warming, facts pls
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RE: Global warming, facts pls
(July 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Natachan Wrote: So some background.

About 5-6 months ago I was a firm believer in the traditional climate change story.

I was a climate change skeptic at first, and it took years to change my mind, but the mounting evidence convinced me.

(July 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Natachan Wrote: But I was in an environmental class (because every civil engineering student is required to take classes on environmental science, atmospheric chemistry, and water quality. Why I do not know). I also had to go to lectures from environmental PhDs. One of the lectures stated that the science was still out. He stated that some empirical models showed cooling and that data from the past few years didn't fit with the traditional warming model. My other professor wouldn't comment on temperature, as he was more concerned about changes in water pH as a result of increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

The science is out on cigarettes being bad for you, too. It's possible that the link between smoking and lung cancer is coincidental or that other variables cause both smoking and lung cancer. The science is rarely completely in on anything.

(July 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Natachan Wrote: So I did a bit of research and found that carbon dioxide is responsible for less than 25% of the total greenhouse effect, and human activity accounts for less than 25% of that.

That's interesting. But isn't the rate of increase of CO2 in the atmosphere and what percentage of that is anthropogenic what you really need to know? Don't you think it would tell you more if you found out that CO2 was responsible for less than 22% of the total greenhouse effect fifty years ago and human activity accounts for 60% of the 3% increase? A snap shot isn't going to tell you much.

(July 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Natachan Wrote: I found that current temperatures are still no higher than those during the "medieval warm period."

Do you have a good reason to think temperatures will stop rising before they're higher than the peak of the Medieval Warm Period?

(July 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Natachan Wrote: I'm currently reading a book on atmospheric chemistry. So I'm wondering what the actual facts are on this.

With your education, you should be able to understand primary sources. If you're really interested, that's the way to go.

(July 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Natachan Wrote: On a related note I endorse efforts to reduce carbon emissions and promote sustainability. And this has promoted that. So, if it was true that climate change is somewhat overblown, is it still ok to exaggerate if it gets people motivated and acting in a more sustainable manner?

No, it's not okay to exaggerate it, doing so undermines confidence in science. The GOP is not entirely to blame for people's distrust of climate science, sensationalistic stories about it have been a contributing factor as well.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Global warming, facts pls - by Natachan - July 29, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by KUSA - July 29, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Anomalocaris - July 29, 2014 at 6:23 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Ryantology - July 29, 2014 at 7:12 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Lemonvariable72 - July 29, 2014 at 8:02 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by archangle - July 29, 2014 at 7:08 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by ShaMan - July 29, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Natachan - July 29, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by ShaMan - July 29, 2014 at 7:57 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Minimalist - August 3, 2014 at 11:11 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Brakeman - July 29, 2014 at 8:11 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Natachan - July 29, 2014 at 10:14 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Cato - July 29, 2014 at 11:30 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Brakeman - July 30, 2014 at 7:07 am
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Ravenshire - July 29, 2014 at 10:27 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Ryantology - July 29, 2014 at 8:18 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by KichigaiNeko - July 29, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by ignoramus - July 29, 2014 at 8:53 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by The Grand Nudger - July 29, 2014 at 10:23 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by popeyespappy - July 30, 2014 at 7:30 am
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Natachan - July 30, 2014 at 11:31 am
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by KichigaiNeko - July 30, 2014 at 9:14 am
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Mister Agenda - July 30, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Jaysyn - July 30, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by KichigaiNeko - July 31, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Welsh cake - August 1, 2014 at 4:29 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2014 at 4:44 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by CindysRain - August 3, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by popeyespappy - August 3, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by Aractus - August 4, 2014 at 12:42 am
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by LivingNumbers - August 11, 2014 at 4:07 am
RE: Global warming, facts pls - by KichigaiNeko - August 13, 2014 at 1:06 am

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