(July 30, 2014 at 4:07 pm)alpha male Wrote:(July 30, 2014 at 4:02 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Sorry dude, quoting white noise from the Bible isn't making your point. I'm asking you, how can you say the only 'judgment' I need to live up to is my own (which completely lacks any concept of sin or divine punishment), while still saying that I deserve divine punishment for my sin?Sorry, thought the answer to that is obvious - I don't think anyone lives up to their own standards.
(July 30, 2014 at 4:04 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: I'd have a TON of questions- but I think most people who know this for a FACT as in it's proven by science would be idiots not to avoid eternal torment. It's like surviving North Korea- believing in Kim Jong Il is just something you have to do.I think so too, yet that's what people here say.
Well I think people challenge the idea of eternal salvation because it's idiotic right now. BUT if God came down from heaven tomorrow and were like, "Hahaha you've done been punk'd atheists" and offered us a choice of:
OR
Then no matter how much we hated God, we would talk the talk and walk the walk to try to get ourselves and our families NOT roasted alive on devil's pitchforks.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
