RE: WHY was Jesus cricified?
July 30, 2014 at 8:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 30, 2014 at 8:44 pm by John V.)
(July 30, 2014 at 6:15 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: You're missing the context. I mean "flat out forgiven" not "requires a blood sacrifice, then you get forgiveness".He doesn't tell us to flat out forgive. He tells us to forgive in recognition that He is forgiving us. You chose a good passage, but stopped reading too soon. Read vv. 23-35.
If Jesus tells us to forgive people without some sacrifice or payment given to us, why does God need a sacrifice to forgive everyone's sins?
Matthew 18:22 tells us to forgive people 77 times. I was always taught that it's not a literal cap, but telling people to keep forgiving others.
(July 30, 2014 at 7:31 pm)Jenny A Wrote: The problem is that Christians appear to define justice in this instance as whatever god thinks is just.Why is that a problem? An atheist defines justice as whatever he thinks is just. You don't seem to see that as problematic. Even if he uses a framework such as utilitarianism or the harm principle, the choice of framework is just his preference.